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| Newsgroups | comp.lang.java.programmer |
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| Date | 2012-10-13 12:38 -0700 |
| References | <mn.655e7dca256cdfb1.70216@a.com> <k5c2q6$hio$1@dont-email.me> |
| Message-ID | <ad6ec7c9-9609-497b-b4e4-d8e912a31b8e@googlegroups.com> (permalink) |
| Subject | Re: Assigning void |
| From | Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> |
Jeff Higgins wrote: > Others have pointed you to the specification. > I don't know why it can't be a shorthand if-then-else statement too. Whether it could have been, the history of the ternary ?: operator has been solely as an expression, although this is muddied in languages that permit standalone expressions. Java chose to prohibit standalone expressions. Having ?: work as a statement x ? 3 : 4; is no better or worse than would any other expression 3 + 4; Java banned the latter, perforce the former. You asked why. The reason is consistency. Why shouldn't expressions work as standalone statements generally, as in C? I guess it's to do with the philosophy that side effects by themselves are not imperatives. In any event, to make the ternary ?: a "shorthand if-then-else statement" requires we make every expression a statement. Is that a good idea? As it's oppositional to the core ontology of Java, it'll never happen. Now that you know why, the debate is open as to whether the reason is compelling. -- Lew
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Assigning void Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-12 22:54 -0700
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-12 23:27 -0700
Re: Assigning void Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-13 12:35 -0700
Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-13 09:26 -0400
Re: Assigning void Donkey Hottie <donkey@fredriksson.dy.fi> - 2012-10-13 17:06 +0300
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 10:34 -0400
Re: Assigning void Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-13 22:33 +0200
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 17:34 -0400
Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-13 17:45 -0400
Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-13 21:35 -0400
Re: Assigning void Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-16 00:16 +0200
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 11:59 -0400
Re: Assigning void glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-10-13 17:05 +0000
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 14:26 -0400
Re: Assigning void markspace <-@.> - 2012-10-13 11:51 -0700
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 15:08 -0400
Re: Assigning void Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-13 12:28 -0700
Re: Assigning void markspace <-@.> - 2012-10-13 12:42 -0700
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 12:54 -0700
OT - Trolling Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-13 14:16 -0700
Re: OT - Trolling Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 18:09 -0400
Re: OT - Trolling Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-14 18:47 -0700
Re: Assigning void Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-10-13 20:28 +0000
Re: Assigning void Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-13 13:31 -0700
Re: Assigning void Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2012-10-20 18:00 +0200
Re: Assigning void Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-10-20 09:56 -0700
Re: Assigning void "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-10-21 13:24 +0200
Re: Assigning void Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-10-21 10:23 -0700
Re: Assigning void "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-10-22 00:13 +0200
Re: Assigning void Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-10-21 16:25 -0700
Re: Assigning void "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-10-22 08:43 +0200
Re: Assigning void "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-10-22 10:18 +0200
Re: Assigning void Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-10-22 08:14 -0700
Re: Assigning void glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-10-21 19:45 +0000
Re: Assigning void "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-10-22 00:14 +0200
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 12:44 -0700
Re: Assigning void Jukka Lahtinen <jtfjdehf@hotmail.com.invalid> - 2012-10-15 14:38 +0300
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 09:11 -0700
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 15:03 -0400
Re: Assigning void glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-10-13 20:21 +0000
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 12:38 -0700
Re: Assigning void markspace <-@.> - 2012-10-13 12:49 -0700
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 13:03 -0700
Re: Assigning void Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-10-14 14:09 +0200
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-14 11:31 -0700
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 19:55 -0400
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 20:25 -0400
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-13 21:01 -0400
Re: Assigning void Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-10-14 18:42 -0700
Re: Assigning void Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-10-14 00:51 -0700
Re: Assigning void Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-14 10:40 -0400
Re: Assigning void Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2012-10-21 01:24 +0200
Re: Assigning void Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-21 14:52 -0700
Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-21 20:13 -0400
Re: Assigning void Wojtek <nowhere@a.com> - 2012-10-21 20:20 -0700
Re: Assigning void Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2012-10-22 11:12 +0200
Re: Assigning void Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-24 22:03 +0200
Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-24 17:47 -0400
Re: Assigning void Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-10-25 01:02 +0200
Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-24 20:21 -0400
Re: Assigning void Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-10-25 20:04 +0000
(OT) Re: Assigning void Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-25 16:31 -0400
Re: (OT) Re: Assigning void Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-10-25 20:44 +0000
Re: Assigning void Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2012-10-25 07:25 -0300
Re: Assigning void Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-25 11:12 -0700
Re: Assigning void Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2012-10-22 11:01 +0200
Re: Assigning void Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-23 00:38 +0200
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