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Re: Java processors

From	BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: Java processors
Date	2012-07-05 13:00 -0500
Organization	albasani.net
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On 7/5/2012 10:28 AM, Eric Sosman wrote:
> On 7/5/2012 11:01 AM, bob smith wrote:
>> What ever happened to those processors that were supposed to run Java
>> natively?
>>
>> Did Sun or anyone else ever make those?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_processor
>
> (If you need help clicking links, just ask.)
>

and, of those, AFAIK, ARM's Jazelle was the only one to really gain much 
widespread adoption, and even then is largely being phased out in favor 
of ThumbEE, where the idea is that instead of using direct execution, a 
lightweight JIT or similar is used instead.

part of the issue I think is that there isn't really all that much 
practical incentive to run Java bytecode directly on a CPU, since if 
similar (or better) results can be gained by using a JIT to another ISA, 
why not use that instead?

this is a merit of having a bytecode which is sufficiently abstracted 
from the underlying hardware such that it can be efficiently targeted to 
a variety of physical processors.

this is in contrast to a "real" CPU ISA, which may tend to expose enough 
internal workings to where efficient implementation on different CPU 
architectures are problematic (say: differences in endianess, support 
for unaligned reads, different ways of handling arithmetic status 
conditions, ...). in such a case, conversion from one ISA to another may 
come at a potentially significant performance hit.

whereas if this issue does not really apply, or potentially even the 
output of the JIT will execute faster than it would via direct execution 
of the ISA by hardware (say, because the JIT can do a lot more advanced 
optimizations or map the code onto a different and more efficient 
execution model, such as transforming the stack-oriented code into 
register-based machine code), than there is much less merit to the use 
of direct execution.

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Java processors bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2012-07-05 08:01 -0700
  Re: Java processors Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-05 11:28 -0400
    Re: Java processors BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-05 13:00 -0500
      Re: Java processors Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-05 14:31 -0400
        Re: Java processors BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-05 16:42 -0500
        Re: Java processors Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-05 20:30 -0400
          Re: Java processors BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-05 21:12 -0500
          Re: Java processors Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-06 00:13 -0400
            Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-06 13:26 -0700
              Re: Java processors Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-06 13:50 -0700
                Re: Java processors Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-07-06 14:17 -0700
                Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-06 19:07 -0700
                Re: Java processors BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-07 09:34 -0500
                Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-07 21:01 -0700
                Re: Java processors BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-08 00:28 -0500
                Re: Java processors Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-07 23:00 -0700
                Re: Java processors BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-08 10:20 -0500
                Re: Java processors Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-08 09:16 -0700
                Re: Java processors Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-07-08 17:46 +0000
                Re: Java processors Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-08 11:52 -0700
                Re: Java processors Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-07-08 21:41 +0000
                Re: Java processors Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-08 17:56 -0700
                Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-08 19:44 -0700
                Re: Java processors Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-09 23:41 -0700
                Re: Java processors David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-07-16 13:22 -0400
                Re: Java processors Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-07-16 14:03 -0700
                Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-08 19:42 -0700
                Re: Java processors Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-07-10 01:13 +0200
                Re: Java processors Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-07-09 16:26 -0700
                Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-11 15:41 -0700
                Re: Java processors Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-07-12 01:02 +0200
                Re: Java processors Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-21 18:46 +0200
                Re: Java processors Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-21 13:05 -0400
                Re: Java processors Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-21 19:23 +0200
                Re: Java processors Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-21 14:10 -0400
                Re: Java processors Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-23 01:17 +0200
                Re: Java processors Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-22 20:15 -0400
                Re: Java processors Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-07-22 15:13 +0200
                Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-06 19:03 -0700
                Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-08 19:51 -0700
              Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-07 21:17 -0700
                Re: Java processors Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-07 23:04 -0700
                Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-08 09:29 -0700
                Re: Java processors Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-08 11:57 -0700
            Re: Java processors Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-08 15:40 +0200
              Re: Java processors BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-08 10:36 -0500
          Re: Java processors Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-07-06 11:31 -0700
      Re: Java processors Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-07-05 13:02 -0600
        Re: Java processors BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-05 16:09 -0500
        Re: Java processors Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-07-06 01:29 +0200
          Re: Java processors Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-07-06 00:42 +0000
            Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-06 13:53 -0700
              Re: Java processors Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-07-06 21:18 +0000
                Re: Java processors Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-06 18:17 -0400
                Re: Java processors Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-07-06 22:29 +0000
                Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-06 19:10 -0700
                Re: Java processors BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-07 09:42 -0500
                Re: Java processors Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-07 10:58 -0400
                (OT) Was: Re: Java processors Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-07-07 11:38 -0400
                Re: (OT) Was: Re: Java processors Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-07 21:19 -0700
                Re: (OT) Was: Re: Java processors "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-07-08 12:15 +0200
                Re: Java processors Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-07 21:17 -0700
          Re: Java processors Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-07-05 19:14 -0600
        Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-06 13:34 -0700
          Re: Java processors Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-07-06 23:04 +0200
            Re: Java processors Silvio Bierman <silvio@moc.com> - 2012-07-07 00:13 +0200
              Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-06 19:16 -0700
                Re: Java processors "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2012-07-08 11:37 +0200
      Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-06 13:24 -0700
        Re: Java processors BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-07 10:06 -0500
  Re: Java processors Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-07-06 05:22 -0700

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