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Re: Logging problem

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Arved Sandstrom wrote:
> Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> That is a disadvantage of using desktop Windows, which doesn't believe in
>> logs.
>
> Come, come, Martin, desktop Windows isn't quite so bad. :-) Windows
> events go into the Application log, the Security log or the System log
> and are what we see through the Event Viewer.

Arved's answering your question: these are examples you can see, Novice.

> It's quite decent logging actually, although the utility of the
> Application log is determined entirely by what applications choose to
> write to Windows events.

This is rather the point of understanding logs from the reader's standpoint.

It's an exercise in projective empathy. You have to project yourself into a 
future and identify with some poor shnook who has to suss out what's going on, 
and why, with a shrieking customer and nothing to go on but log output and too 
much coffee, and you have to care.

> As a sidenote, log4j and log4net, among other frameworks, can write to
> Windows events.
>
> I don't know whether Windows Server uses them, so the best I can do
>> is suggest that, if you have a suitable box [1], you put one of the Linux
>> flavours[2] on it, have a play with it and then take a look at the files
>> in /var/log/ with "less".

[SNIP/REARRANGE]

>> Novice wrote:
>>> Lew wrote:
>>>> Have you looked at any real system's logs?
>>>>
>>> No.
>>>> You should.
>>>>
>>> I agree. Can you point me to any? I don't have any.

I wonder what a Google search might reveal. Hmm, let me see, I wonder ...
(imagination running wild)
Could it be ...
<http://lmgtfy.com/?q=example+log+output>
?

 From that:
[09/03/2004 21:59:18.060 GMT]
fadef4b T:
com.ibm.mm.beans.CMBConnection
CMBConnection.connect() entered.
[09/03/2004 21:59:18.070 GMT] fadef4b T:
com.ibm.mm.beans.CMBConnection
CMBConnection._createNewDS() entered.
[09/03/2004 21:59:18.070 GMT] fadef4b
T: com.ibm.mm.beans.CMBConnection
CMBConnection._createNewDS()
=>datastore className=
com.ibm.mm.sdk.server.DKDatastoreICM
[09/03/2004 21:59:18.310 GMT] fadef4b
T: com.ibm.mm.beans.CMBConnection Args[0]
is null, no arg constructor called for
  com.ibm.mm.sdk.server.DKDatastoreICM
[09/03/2004 21:59:18.430 GMT] fadef4b
T: com.ibm.mm.beans.CMBConnection
CMBConnection._createNewDS()=>
datastore created with args=null
[09/03/2004 21:59:18.430 GMT] fadef4b
T: com.ibm.mm.beans.CMBConnection
CMBConnection.connect()=>
com.ibm.mm.CMBConnection[connection
type=0,clientURLObj=null,csURLObj=null,
serviceConnectionType=0,serviceClientURLObj=null,
serviceCsURLObj=null,dataManagementEnabled=true,
schemaManagementEnabled=
true,workflowDataManagementEnabled=true,dsType=
ICM,serverName=icmnlsdb,portNo=0,
servicePortNo=0,RMIHostname=,
serviceRMIHostname=,
userid=icmadmin,isConnected=false]
[09/03/2004 21:59:18.430 GMT] fadef4b
T: com.ibm.mm.beans.CMBConnection
Connecting to server.
Please wait...
[09/03/2004 21:59:22.486 GMT]
fadef4b
T:com.ibm.mm.beans.workflow.CMBWorkFlowDataManagement
<http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/cmgmt/v8r3m0/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.troubleshooting.doc%2Ffrnm2mst21.htm>

-- 
Lew
Isn't that special?

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      Re: Logging problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-03-08 20:59 -0500
      Re: Logging problem Novice <novice@example..com> - 2012-03-09 05:36 +0000
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        Re: Logging problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-03-09 12:31 -0500
          Re: Logging problem Novice <novice@example..com> - 2012-03-09 18:57 +0000
            Re: Logging problem Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-03-09 14:26 -0500
        Re: Logging problem Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-03-09 15:59 -0400
          Re: Logging problem Novice <novice@example..com> - 2012-03-09 21:32 +0000
            Re: Logging problem Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-03-09 13:56 -0800
              Re: Logging problem Novice <novice@example..com> - 2012-03-09 22:57 +0000
                Re: Logging problem Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2012-03-10 14:51 +0000
                Re: Logging problem Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-03-10 13:00 -0400
                Re: Logging problem Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-03-10 10:04 -0800
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            Re: Logging problem Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2012-03-09 19:15 -0400
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