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Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster?

From	Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster?
Date	2011-09-25 14:00 -0500
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On 9/25/2011 2:23 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 23:22:45 -0700 (PDT), Lew<lewbloch@gmail.com>
> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>
>> Foo#bar will be cleared to 'null' upon first construction, then initialized to 'null' by the explicit initialization.
>> Both steps happen.  Both steps are required to happen, and they're required to happen separately.
>
> I doubt that. The JLS never says exactly how something works, just
> what the net effect must be.

The JLS clearly states the full observational effects of any action, 
particularly in the realm of object initialization and the memory model.

> It is part of what makes it so difficult to follow.

The JLS is not difficult to follow. ISO C++11 is difficult to follow. 
Well, the section on generic type inference could use a few more 
examples to be easier to follow, but even that is relatively 
straightforward.

 > A JLS for programmers rather than implementors might
> describe a simple reference implementation, and say, "As a programmer
> you can presume it works like this, but actual implementations will be
> more sophisticated and may not give exactly the same behaviour as this
> simple explanation. For those fine points, see the implementors JLS."

As I stated earlier, the JLS states full observational effects. If the 
underlying behavior is not the same (e.g., using escape analysis to 
change heap allocations to stack allocations), it would require advanced 
introspective techniques to observe this which are well beyond the 
semantics of Java itself.

-- 
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not 
tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth

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Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 03:17 +0200
  Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-24 21:37 -0400
    Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 10:39 +0200
  Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-09-24 18:41 -0700
    Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-09-25 12:57 +0200
      Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 13:38 +0200
        Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-09-25 14:16 +0200
          Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 16:04 +0200
            Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 16:11 +0200
              Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-09-25 09:30 -0700
            Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-25 10:59 -0400
              Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 17:14 +0200
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-09-25 15:26 +0000
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-25 11:02 -0700
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 20:19 +0200
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 20:21 +0200
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-25 17:48 -0400
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-26 00:10 +0200
  Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-09-24 19:05 -0700
    Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-24 23:22 -0700
      Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-09-25 00:23 -0700
        Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-25 11:17 -0700
        Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-09-25 14:00 -0500
    Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 10:47 +0200
      Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-25 08:07 -0400
        Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 19:21 +0200
          Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 19:41 +0200
          Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-25 11:28 -0700
            Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 21:25 +0200
              Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 23:50 +0200
              Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-25 15:43 -0700
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-26 01:06 +0200
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-26 01:21 +0200
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-09-26 06:00 +0000
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-26 14:52 +0200
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-26 15:02 +0200

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