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Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster?

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Eric Sosman schrieb:
>      Again, I point out that the bulk and lazy variants do not do
> the same thing.  Consider, for example
>
>      class Bla {
>          private static int master_seqno = 0;
>          public final int seqno = ++master_seqno;
>      }
>
> Observe that the value of bla[42].seqno differs between the two
> variants; it would therefore be an error to "optimize" either by
> transforming it into the other.

Not really. You could only see a difference in the order
that Bla() gets a number. Since in the bulk variant
the Bla() will be allocated from 0 .. n-1, but the lazy
might allocate in an arbitrary order, which is the case
in my application.

So if your application does not depend on the order
the seqno's are created there is no functional problem.
Main question I have here is not about relative
correctness of bulk versus lazy. But why bulk is
counterintuitively much faster?

Since the bulk is much faster I am assuming some
optimization is happening in this particular loop:

     Bla[] bla = new Bla[n];
     for (int i=0; i<n; i++) {
         bla[i] = new Bla();
     }

Actually this loop is something that shocked me
when I started working with Java many years ago.
What there is no way to make a "new" of an array
with all its elements?

This is not seen if one works with int[] or
double[] arrays. But as soon as you work with some
other array, either a higher dimensional of int[]
or double[] or an array of some class X. You are
responsible for populating the elements.

The advantage is that you can create diagonal
matrices, sparse arrays, polymorphic data in
arrays, etc.. But I have the feeling that a loop
as above is happening in many many applications
exactly because initializing the elements of an
array is left to the application programmer.

So I am really focusing on this array init, and
asking what it does under the hood, and the lazy
is only a reference for the performance. I am
not interessted in a general theory between going
from bulk to lazy and back and forth. Forget
about the lazy and explain the bulk!

Bye

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  Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-24 21:37 -0400
    Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 10:39 +0200
  Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-09-24 18:41 -0700
    Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-09-25 12:57 +0200
      Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 13:38 +0200
        Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-09-25 14:16 +0200
          Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 16:04 +0200
            Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 16:11 +0200
              Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-09-25 09:30 -0700
            Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-25 10:59 -0400
              Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 17:14 +0200
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-09-25 15:26 +0000
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-25 11:02 -0700
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 20:19 +0200
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 20:21 +0200
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-25 17:48 -0400
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-26 00:10 +0200
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      Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-09-25 08:07 -0400
        Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-25 19:21 +0200
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          Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-25 11:28 -0700
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              Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-25 15:43 -0700
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-26 01:06 +0200
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-26 01:21 +0200
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-09-26 06:00 +0000
                Re: Bulk Array Element Allocation, is it faster? Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2011-09-26 14:52 +0200
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