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Re: Android—Why Dalvik?

From BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: Android—Why Dalvik?
Date 2011-06-03 12:45 -0700
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On 6/3/2011 6:31 AM, Michael Wojcik wrote:
> BGB wrote:
>> On 5/31/2011 8:10 AM, Joshua Cranmer wrote:
>>>
>>> Besides, all autoconf gets you is setting up the hundreds of #defines.
>>> It does nothing else with respect to the #ifdef mess.
>>
>> yeah, and it doesn't exactly tend to work well for non-Linux operating
>> systems (such as Windows...).
>
> Used properly, autoconf works just fine on Windows - or, at any rate,
> as well as it works anywhere. (Like Joshua I am not particularly
> impressed with autoconf, though it's not quite as thoroughly
> brain-damaged as some of its fellow GNU build tools, such as libtool.)
> Wireshark uses it, for example.
>
> Once again, the real problem is that systems like autoconf only help
> with C code that is written to be portable with the help of
> conditional compilation. The vast majority of C code is poorly written
> (spend some time on comp.lang.c if you don't understand how or why)
> and a good portion of that is unportable assumptions.
>
> Some of the classic non-portable assumptions in C code are becoming
> rarer. The prevalence of two's-complement machines over
> one's-complement and sign-magnitude (the other two "pure binary
> representations" allowed for C integer types) has largely eliminated
> one source of bit-twiddling errors, for example; and the popularity of
> I32LP64 architectures has made more programmers aware of the problems
> of casting between pointer and integer types.
>
> But we still see a lot of code with character set assumptions, or
> assuming CHAR_BIT==8, or assuming huge auto-class objects are fine.
> Those are safe assumptions on many platforms, but they limit
> portability. So do endianness assumptions, etc.
>

CHAR_BIT==8 is AFAIK more acceptable, since nearly all major/common 
hardware at this point (and likely in the near future) has this property.

endianess matters if one thinks the code may have a chance of migrating 
between different sorts of targets, such as between x86 and PPC. usually 
I handle endianness in my own code though.


> And we still see a lot of buffer overflows, integer overflows, unsafe
> or erroneous memory allocation. Failures to check for and handle error
> returns from library and system calls. TOCTOU races and other forms of
> unsafe file handling. Interpositioning vulnerabilities (a huge issue
> with Windows right now; not specific to C, but mitigated by runtime
> systems that use more-sophisticated dynamic loaders). And so on.
>
> Autoconf does *not a damn thing* to address any of this.
>

yes, ok.


oddly, Mozilla uses Autoconf+MSVC in their Windows build setup (and 
apparently also a 'special' version of Autoconf).

IMO it looks like a bit of a kludge.

more impressive though was that it actually worked, and when one follows 
their directions (downloading/using MozillaBuild, ...), they can rebuild 
FireFox/... from source on Windows.


I am currently using MSVC, but mostly this was because in 2009 I had 
been building for Win64, and GCC's Win64 support was not impressive 
(mostly in the sense that it was occasionally producing broken code 
apparently mixing together parts of the Win64 and AMD64 ABI's...).

I am left wondering if GCC's Win64 support has improved, or if it really 
matters. I could probably switch back, but it would involve having to 
mess around some with the makefiles, which is inconvinient.


or such...

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                Re: Android?Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 22:26 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 18:45 +1200
              Re: Android?Why Dalvik? Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-30 15:25 -0400
                Re: Android?Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 12:46 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 11:50 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-30 20:16 -0400
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 13:50 +1200
            Re: Android?Why Dalvik? Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-30 11:22 -0700
    Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-29 09:35 -0700
      Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 12:44 +1200
        Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-29 19:38 -0700
          Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 17:26 +1200
            Re: Android—Why Dalvik? "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-05-30 00:04 -0700
              Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 19:11 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-05-30 00:30 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 19:53 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-05-30 01:28 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 22:12 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 02:35 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-05-30 11:26 -0400
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 13:17 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 11:48 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 17:16 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 13:48 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? David Segall <david@address.invalid> - 2011-06-01 00:54 +1000
                Re: Android?Why Dalvik? Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-31 08:05 -0700
                Re: Android?Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-31 11:41 -0700
            Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 01:57 -0700
              Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 22:30 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 13:23 -0700
  Re: Android—Why Dalvik? bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> - 2011-05-31 09:42 +0100
  Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Michal Kleczek <kleku75@gmail.com> - 2011-06-02 09:17 +0200
    Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Michal Kleczek <kleku75@gmail.com> - 2011-06-02 09:21 +0200
    Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-06-02 19:34 +1200
      Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-02 03:43 -0700

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