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Re: Android—Why Dalvik?

From Michael Wojcik <mwojcik@newsguy.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: Android—Why Dalvik?
Date 2011-06-03 10:05 -0400
Organization Micro Focus
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BGB wrote:
> 
> of course, C# is currently up there as well, so it is mostly a battle
> between C, C++, Java, and C# for the title of "most widely used
> language...".

That's a meaningless title unless you define it. Used by the most
programmers? Used by the most "applications" (however that would be
defined)? Most SLOC or function points or some other dubious code
metric? Ever? In the last year, month, week?

TIOBE's rankings are suspect, as is their methodology, but at least
they have a method - they're not just pulling a list out of their
collective ass.

FYI, the most recent short-term TIOBE rankings are Java, C, C++, C#,
PHP, Objective-C, Python, "(Visual) Basic" (a dubious entry), Perl,
and Ruby, in that order.[1] That's for May 2011. (RPG has risen to
#20, by the way, from #25 last year. Time for everyone to refresh
those RPG skills!)

Their long-term data shows Java and C securely holding the top two
spots for the past decade. C++ briefly beat C for the #2 spot a couple
of times, but it didn't last.

But as I noted, the TIOBE rankings are suspect. They're based on
things like advertised positions and classes, so they mostly measure
demand or perceived demand in various markets.

And simplistic interpretations of their data are likely to be
misleading. For example, they rank COBOL at #37, well below, say, Logo
(#24). (Time to brush up on those Logo skills!) But there are a few
billion lines of COBOL application source code still under
maintenance. They're rarely touched (indeed, businesses are
tremendously wary of touching them), because they encode business
rules. But they still exist and the programs compiled from them are
still used. Does that mean COBOL is under-ranked? Only if you
interpret the TIOBE rankings to mean something other than what they mean.

Similarly, we see TIOBE ranks Alice (a language in the ML family) at
#35, and PL/I at #42. Alice is free, and comes with a free IDE. The
major PL/I implementations - IBM's and ours - are expensive. But we
still sell a goodly number of PL/I licenses, and all evidence suggests
IBM does too. We don't see PL/I customers rushing to switch to Alice.
Or even, say, C, which is more like PL/I and is the #2 language.


[1] http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

-- 
Michael Wojcik
Micro Focus
Rhetoric & Writing, Michigan State University

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                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 13:50 +1200
            Re: Android?Why Dalvik? Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-30 11:22 -0700
    Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-29 09:35 -0700
      Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 12:44 +1200
        Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-29 19:38 -0700
          Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 17:26 +1200
            Re: Android—Why Dalvik? "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-05-30 00:04 -0700
              Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 19:11 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-05-30 00:30 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 19:53 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-05-30 01:28 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 22:12 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 02:35 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-05-30 11:26 -0400
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 13:17 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 11:48 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 17:16 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 13:48 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? David Segall <david@address.invalid> - 2011-06-01 00:54 +1000
                Re: Android?Why Dalvik? Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-31 08:05 -0700
                Re: Android?Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-31 11:41 -0700
            Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 01:57 -0700
              Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 22:30 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 13:23 -0700
  Re: Android—Why Dalvik? bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> - 2011-05-31 09:42 +0100
  Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Michal Kleczek <kleku75@gmail.com> - 2011-06-02 09:17 +0200
    Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Michal Kleczek <kleku75@gmail.com> - 2011-06-02 09:21 +0200
    Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-06-02 19:34 +1200
      Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-02 03:43 -0700

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