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Re: Android?Why Dalvik?

From BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: Android?Why Dalvik?
Date 2011-05-31 16:08 -0700
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References (14 earlier) <is3elm$hoh$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> <MPG.284ee4d9c3308bd798976f@news.justthe.net> <is3hd7$j4p$3@lust.ihug.co.nz> <MPG.284ef08bcf13105e989771@news.justthe.net> <slrniuapds.phi.avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at>

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On 5/31/2011 3:03 PM, Andreas Leitgeb wrote:
> Steve Sobol<sjsobol@JustThe.net>  wrote:
>> In article<is3hd7$j4p$3@lust.ihug.co.nz>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro says...
>>> In message<MPG.284ee4d9c3308bd798976f@news.justthe.net>, Steve Sobol wrote:
>>>> The maintainer of the virtual machine has to worry about the OS- and
>>>> architecture-specific stuff. You don't.
>>> In other words, Java code cannot be ported to a platform until the Java
>>> system itself has been ported. And what is the Java system written in?
>> C/C++. If I'm not mistaken. :)
>
> The question is not, what the JVM is written in, but *who* does the porting
> work to a particular new platform.
>
> If you've just designed a new microprocessor and need to get a specific
> program to run on it, then chances are high, that porting a small C-program
> to the new platform's peculiarities will be easier, than to port the whole
> JVM to it (and have the program written in Java).  Oh, and you'd probably
> need a C-compiler ported to it anyway, so I wasn't mentioning it for the
> comparison.
>

well, the C compiler need not be necessarily ported to it, since very 
often with such small embedded systems, one cross-compiles to them. then 
one just needs a C compiler which targets the given CPU architecture in 
use, which may well be a bit easier than getting something more big and 
complex (such as a VM framework) ported to it.


> If, on the other hand, all of the interesting platforms already have a
> Java on it (ported by someone else) then doing the program in Java could
> well be the better choice.
>

it depends a lot on the type of app though, such as how effectively, or 
portably, the thing that needs to be done can be implemented purely or 
mostly in Java.

for example, Minecraft was written primarily in Java, but still depends 
somewhat on special-purpose native interfaces (such as LWJGL) to expose 
more OS-level functionality (OpenGL, sound, lower-level keyboard/mouse 
input, ...).


about at the time JNI starts really coming into the picture, then things 
start looking a little less pretty.

mapping DirectX to Java would also be a bit problematic.


but, yeah, for a vanilla GUI app, Java makes a good deal of sense (well, 
along with C#, but C# is mostly only really ideal for very quick/dirty 
GUI apps where one doesn't care so much about non-Windows targets).



> My impression is, that Android typically runs on hw-platforms
>    - with a relatively small screen (both: physically and pixels) and no
>        normal keyboard. (Even though you could pair it with a bluetooth
>        keyboard, you wouldn't have one with you, most of the time.)
>    - with a multi-touch-sensitive touch-screen, that can deal with
>        two (or more) fingers touching it at the same time and with
>        varying pressure.
>    - which don't know the concept of "hovering" above a gadget (for
>        tooltips) or alternative-button clicks (for context menus)
>
> Whereas Java (J2SE) would typically run on hw-platforms that would be
>    characterized by logically inverting each of the items above.
>
> Any *GUI* app, that might conceivably run on both types of platforms, would
> either be really two-separate-apps-in-one, or suck terribly on at least one
> of these platforms.
>

"wut?... so you are saying I can't reasonably use 3DS Max on a cell phone?".


but, yeah, fair enough.

it does pose a bit of a UI design problem, as UIs which are well suited 
to a desktop PC are not necessarily as well suited to smaller screens or 
keyboards (sometimes even laptops, for example if the app has lots of 
on-screen items/information/... and/or makes heavy use of keyboard 
shortcuts).

whereas UI designs which work well on cellphones (such as the usual NxN 
tiled icons, ...) would look silly on a laptop or desktop (either the 
buttons are comically huge, or one has a giant scrolling desktop, 
neither of which makes all that much sense).


so, yeah, probably difference sorts of UI designs are needed...

as to whether or not this would be a case of "two apps in one" would 
likely depend more on the nature of the app, and possibly how central 
the UI design is to its operation.


or such...

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                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2011-06-06 13:14 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-06 13:38 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-06-07 13:34 +0000
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2011-06-07 13:56 +0000
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2011-06-07 16:47 +0000
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 13:53 +1200
                Re: Android?Why Dalvik? Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-30 19:14 -0700
                Re: Android?Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 22:26 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 18:45 +1200
              Re: Android?Why Dalvik? Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-30 15:25 -0400
                Re: Android?Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 12:46 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 11:50 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2011-05-30 20:16 -0400
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 13:50 +1200
            Re: Android?Why Dalvik? Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-30 11:22 -0700
    Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-29 09:35 -0700
      Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 12:44 +1200
        Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-29 19:38 -0700
          Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 17:26 +1200
            Re: Android—Why Dalvik? "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-05-30 00:04 -0700
              Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 19:11 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-05-30 00:30 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 19:53 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2011-05-30 01:28 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 22:12 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 02:35 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-05-30 11:26 -0400
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 13:17 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 11:48 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 17:16 -0700
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-31 13:48 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? David Segall <david@address.invalid> - 2011-06-01 00:54 +1000
                Re: Android?Why Dalvik? Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-05-31 08:05 -0700
                Re: Android?Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-31 11:41 -0700
            Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 01:57 -0700
              Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-05-30 22:30 +1200
                Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-30 13:23 -0700
  Re: Android—Why Dalvik? bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> - 2011-05-31 09:42 +0100
  Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Michal Kleczek <kleku75@gmail.com> - 2011-06-02 09:17 +0200
    Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Michal Kleczek <kleku75@gmail.com> - 2011-06-02 09:21 +0200
    Re: Android—Why Dalvik? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> - 2011-06-02 19:34 +1200
      Re: Android—Why Dalvik? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-02 03:43 -0700

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