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Re: refactoring problem

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Silvio wrote:
> Lew wrote:
>> Silvio wrote:
>>> Lew wrote:
>>>> Silvio wrote:
>>>>> But as always, tastes will differ.
> 
>>>> Well, the decisions as to what actually makes it into Java or not are not made on the basis
>>>> of taste.
>>>>
>>>> Which is arguably the worst of seemingly plausible criteria for inclusion.
> 
>>> Well, what where those decisions based on then?
> 
>> Engineering considerations. Logic. Estimated utility. Cost of implementation vs. expected benefit.
> 
>>> Something else than the personal taste of a small group of influential insiders?
> 
>> Yep.
> 
> Well, no. I closely followed a number of the discussions about language 
> additions (among which the endless series of discussions about closures) 
> and personal preference of a small group of people is definitely a major 
> factor.

"Preference" != "taste".

> Of course their preferences will have been influenced by such factors 
> but since these are either subjective or estimates personal opinions 
> remain important.

"Opinion" != "taste".

> I am not saying this is bad per se. That was your opinion.

You have not shown that their influence or thoughts were influenced by taste.

What I've read of those discussions were all motivated by engineering considerations.

I did not detect anything of taste in the justifications.

-- 
Lew

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