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From Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21
Date Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:17:02 +0300
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Am 23.04.2013 12:48, schrieb Steven Simpson:
> On 20/04/13 22:40, Sven Köhler wrote:
>> Oh, and of course the ProcessBuilder doesn't behave as it is supposed
>> to. As mentioned in my first post, the String "\"a b\"" would be passed
>> unmodified to the program invoked. However, clearly, the string passed
>> to the program should have been
>> "\"\\\"a b\\\"\""
>>
>> Only with the quotes and backslashes added, CommandLineToArgv would
>> decode it to "\"a b\"". With the current ProcessBuilder implementation,
>> a Windows program will see the parameter "a b" while on UNIX the program
>> will see "\"a b\"".
>>
>> See
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb776391%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
>>
>> for details.
> 
> You're expecting Java to build its Windows command string something like
> this?:
> ...code..
> 
> Does that work correctly for anything to be thrown at CommandLineToArgvW?

I haven't checked your code, but I have written the inverse to
CommandLineToArgv in Java. It's not that hard. Passing the result to
ProcessBuilder works fine - even though that it works is based on the
two silly undocumented facts: (1) ProcessBuilder adds quotes if and only
if the argument doesn't start and end with quotes and (2) ProcessBuilder
doesn't mess with quotes and backslashes inside the arguments.

The problem with Java's ProcessBuilder is, that people use it "willy
nilly" being completely oblivous about the fact that it doesn't do what
might be best for them. (Recall the case "c:\\program files\\", "world"
where the two strings are basically merged to "c:\\program files\"
world". This is probably the scariest.)
Secondly, there is no way to pass the arguments correctly by only
relying on documented stuff.

>> Note, that I assume that the program invoked uses CommandLineToArgv to
>> decode the command line. Which is by no means clear, as any program can
>> implement their own tokenizer.
>>
>> Don't you find that a bit strange?
> 
> Perhaps that assumption is too risky for Java to make, e.g. there are
> enough 'native' Windows/DOS commands around that the programmer is
> likely to want to invoke, but don't use CommandLineToArgvW, and so would
> be confused if they received a string escaped as above. Not a very
> satisfactory situation.

Some assumption about the program's tokenizer are already part of
ProcessBuilder's implementation (namely that they understand quotes
around arguments with spaces). Isn't that risky already?

It still puzzles me: The documentation explicitly mentions operating
systems, where programs perform the tokenization themselves. It even
suggests that the String-list should exist of exactly two elements
(which could maybe interpretated as a hint that the second element could
be the raw command line parameter string). But instead, what we get, is
an imperfect, error prone, undocumented mangling of arguments: adding
quotes without taking care of the quotes within the strings is
something, that shouldn't slip any programmer's attention.


Regards,
  Sven

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exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-04-16 15:48 -0700
  Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-04-16 16:48 -0700
  Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-20 13:00 +0300
  Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-04-20 15:13 +0200
    Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-20 19:07 +0300
      Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-04-20 09:24 -0700
        Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-20 19:34 +0300
          Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-04-20 11:01 -0700
            Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 00:25 +0300
          Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-04-20 22:03 +0200
            Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 00:29 +0300
              Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-20 21:56 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 08:31 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-21 11:08 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-04-21 13:43 -0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 23:12 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-21 21:17 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-04-27 22:49 -0400
              Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-04-20 15:03 -0700
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 08:26 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-04-21 14:30 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2013-04-21 09:20 -0700
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-04-21 11:31 -0700
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-04-21 16:06 -0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-21 19:47 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-21 23:01 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 23:29 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 23:45 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-21 21:38 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2013-04-21 18:49 -0700
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-22 09:36 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-22 10:39 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-04-22 07:43 -0700
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-22 19:33 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-23 07:30 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-22 21:07 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-23 23:28 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-23 21:05 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 11:22 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-24 20:22 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2013-04-24 11:24 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 23:23 +0300
            Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 00:40 +0300
              Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-23 10:48 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Donkey Hottie <donkey@fredriksson.dy.fi> - 2013-04-23 13:31 +0300
                <? extends String> (was: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21) Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-23 14:55 +0100
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                Re: <? extends String> Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-04-23 08:50 -0700
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                Re: <? extends String> Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-04-23 09:58 -0700
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                Re: <? extends String> (was: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-04-23 14:12 -0700
                Re: <? extends String> Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-23 23:22 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-23 19:56 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-23 23:31 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-23 23:39 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 09:29 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-24 10:26 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 13:11 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-24 22:24 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 11:49 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-25 10:19 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-04-25 09:02 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 11:47 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-25 09:50 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-25 10:07 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-04-27 08:44 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-26 20:17 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-27 09:22 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-27 12:39 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-23 23:17 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-04-23 17:32 -0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 10:39 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-04-25 09:02 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 11:59 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-04-25 18:38 -0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-28 10:57 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-04-27 22:35 -0400
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-28 09:23 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-04-28 09:52 -0400
  Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net> - 2013-04-20 17:52 +0300
    Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-04-27 22:31 -0400

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