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Re: Volunteer for Java Development

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On Sat, 24 Dec 2011, Arved Sandstrom wrote:

> On 11-12-24 12:54 AM, Roedy Green wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:15:13 -0800 (PST), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
>> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>>
>>> Struts is obsolete.  Use JSF.
>>
>> I was told JSF has hugely more overhead.
>
> What kind of overhead?
>
> 4) API complexity?
>
> All of the web framework APIs are large

No. Stripes is pretty small.

I've never used JSF, so i have no first-hand evidence. By way of 
second-hand evidence, i see a lot of questions on forums from people who 
are struggling with some aspect of JSF. I very rarely see questions like 
that for action-style frameworks like Struts or Stripes, despite the fact 
that such frameworks are very widely used.

Also, correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't JSF (like other component-style 
frameworks) make it harder to precisely control the HTML than action-style 
frameworks? The last project i did used an action-style framework. Our web 
designers sat down and cranked out finely-tuned HTML for the site, taking 
care to make it lean, semantic, portable across browsers, SEO-friendly, 
etc. We programmers could pick up their static mockups and made minimal 
changes to make the appropriate bits dynamic - replacing a hardcoded value 
with a ${}, an <input> with a <webframework:input>, and so on. Can you do 
that with JSF?

tom

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Volunteer for Java Development Sarkar <virtexamit@gmail.com> - 2011-12-22 09:25 -0800
  Re: Volunteer for Java Development Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-12-22 14:40 -0800
    Re: Volunteer for Java Development Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-12-22 21:59 -0800
      Re: Volunteer for Java Development Sarkar <virtexamit@gmail.com> - 2011-12-23 03:46 -0800
        Re: Volunteer for Java Development Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-12-23 09:15 -0800
          Re: Volunteer for Java Development "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour@gmail.com> - 2011-12-24 10:47 +1100
            Re: Volunteer for Java Development Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-12-24 12:33 -0400
            Re: Volunteer for Java Development Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-12-24 10:06 -0800
              Re: Volunteer for Java Development Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-12-27 03:29 +0000
                Re: Volunteer for Java Development Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-12-27 13:28 -0400
              Re: Volunteer for Java Development Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-12-27 18:13 -0500
                Re: Volunteer for Java Development Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-12-28 01:07 -0800
                Re: Volunteer for Java Development Sarkar <virtexamit@gmail.com> - 2012-01-01 22:37 -0800
            Re: Volunteer for Java Development Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-12-27 18:09 -0500
          Re: Volunteer for Java Development Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2011-12-23 20:54 -0800
            Re: Volunteer for Java Development Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-12-24 00:18 -0800
            Re: Volunteer for Java Development Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-12-24 11:09 -0400
              Re: Volunteer for Java Development Sarkar <virtexamit@gmail.com> - 2011-12-24 07:26 -0800
              Re: Volunteer for Java Development Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-12-27 00:53 +0000
                Re: Volunteer for Java Development Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom3minus1@eastlink.ca> - 2011-12-26 22:23 -0400
                Re: Volunteer for Java Development Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-12-27 18:24 -0500
                Re: Volunteer for Java Development Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> - 2011-12-27 16:13 -0800
            Re: Volunteer for Java Development Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-12-24 10:10 -0800
              Re: Volunteer for Java Development Sarkar <virtexamit@gmail.com> - 2011-12-25 06:45 -0800
            Re: Volunteer for Java Development Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2011-12-27 18:16 -0500

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