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Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML??

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In article <a708e2Fch4U1@mid.individual.net>, shortcutter@googlemail.com 
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> > I have professionally worked with a framework that tries to do this, so
> > I've got a bit experience in that. It works remarkably well.
> 
> I'd love to learn the name of the tool you used.

It's a commercial application development framework called "TREND" by a 
company called "GEBIT Solutions" and I was pretty impressed! It's built 
from a series of Eclipse plugins. On their website they offer an 
analyst/requirements engineering tool, but that's barely scratching the 
surface of the rich framework that they use for creating applications 
(which can be swing client or web applications). You can build 
applications pretty fast using that stuff. Of course, as with every 
other framework in the world, you'll find things that you won't like and 
face some challenges, but it's still very impressive.

> > What we were doing, when we were using the tool, was to model the
> > database entities in detail as class diagrams, but for the activity
> > diagrams we had to keep as much technical detail out of the diagrams as
> > possible and abstract a lot.
> 
> What does that mean?  Are your activity diagrams disconnected from the 
> Java code?

There are files which are kept in sync by the framework, diagram files 
and generated Java code. The generated Java code is annotated. It's a 
round trip thing: Once generated from the model, the Java code can be 
edited, which will reflect back into the diagrams. 
So you could, for example, add some attributes to your entity class and  
you'll see them appearing in the diagram as you save, likewise you can 
alter the diagram and you'll see the change appearing in the code.
The activity diagrams are also backed by Java code.

I don't know to which extend I'm allowed to speak about all this, there 
have been non disclosure agreements that I had to sign, which I don't 
have at hand, so please forgive me if I'm not going into too much detail 
here. But they've been working on this tool chain for well over a 
decade, and that's pretty apparent when you're using it.

You'll find some valuable information on their website (German):
> http://www.gebit.de/loesungen/technische-loesungen/trend-framework-
develop/beschreibung.html


> > We described the broad business decisions
> > only and coded the detail like you've been doing it all the time: In
> > plain old Java. For conditionals, the framework generated a hook method
> > from the diagram, which we filled with life. For each activity a view
> > was generated by the framework, which we could customize using a UI-
> > designer and Java.
> 
> Do you mean view as in MVC?  What kind of application are we talking 
> about here?

Yes, it's all MVC. 
I have been working on a Swing client (very large scale) and I've seen 
them creating a JSF-Web client using the same tools. I've also seen 
something based on the Eclipse platform, not entirely sure to which 
extend they have used their modeler for that (just had a quick chat with 
the developer and other things on my mind), but I think so.

> Did you include diagrams in 
> text documents (design documents) which explained the rationale of the 
> design in a more reader friendly way? 
> If yes, how did you deal with 
> updating diagrams?  If not, how did you convey the essence of the design 
> to other people (new team members etc.)?

The RE-Tool that the framework vendor is selling allows to create design 
documents that include diagrams that are kept in sync, so an update in 
the diagram is reflected in the document. The tool also integrates with 
Eclipse and the documents as well as the diagrams can be stored in an 
SCM system. 

Here's a link (German language):
> http://www.gebit.de/loesungen/technische-loesungen/trend-analyst-
requirements/beschreibung.html <

You might like to check out their community edition, which is free of 
charge. Mind you that that tool is just for documentation purposes, if 
you're seriously interested in the complete framework you should contact 
their sales rep. Their customers are quite large companies, so I doubt 
it will be cheap, but probably valuable. 

Kind regards,
Wanja

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                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-24 18:36 -0400
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                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-25 21:00 -0400
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                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-02 17:33 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-07-25 06:41 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-25 10:38 -0400
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-24 18:42 -0400
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-24 16:35 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-24 20:07 -0400
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? markspace <-@.> - 2012-07-24 17:36 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-25 10:22 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? markspace <-@.> - 2012-07-25 10:57 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-25 13:41 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? markspace <-@.> - 2012-07-25 13:44 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-25 14:34 -0700
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                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-30 14:59 +0200
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-30 19:55 -0400
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-02 23:41 +0200
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-02 18:31 -0400
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? markspace <-@.> - 2012-07-25 15:54 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-25 16:11 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-25 19:30 -0400
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-25 18:49 -0400
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-25 16:13 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-07-26 11:35 +0200
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-26 09:16 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-07-27 13:21 +0200
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-27 09:16 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-07-27 21:02 +0200
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-27 13:47 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? markspace <-@.> - 2012-07-27 13:51 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-07-27 17:11 -0400
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-07-28 18:36 +0200
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                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-29 15:24 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-23 19:46 -0400
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-07-23 18:49 -0700
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-23 22:59 -0400
                Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-23 19:40 -0400
          Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-07-20 19:51 -0400
          Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-21 19:16 +0200
            Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-07-21 19:49 +0200
              Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-23 03:28 +0200
      Re: Do C++ and Java professionals use UML?? Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-07-20 03:03 -0500
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