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Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling

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On 09/28/2011 05:20 PM, markspace wrote:
> On 9/27/2011 11:21 PM, Robert Klemme wrote:
>>
>> Because you reduce synchronization overhead. If you have 1 or X threads
>> doing the selecting and distributing the work over M >> X handler
>> threads for N >> M channels then you have much higher potential for
>> collisions than if you have X * (1 selector for M/X handler threads).
>
> Really? Is synchronization, relative to an app that's doing network IO,
> a serious concern? I can't imagine that synchronization overhead is even
> within a three orders of magnitude of the IO overhead.

It all depends of course how it's done.  But imagine 10,000 open 
channels with traffic, 1,000 reader threads and a single thread doing 
selecting and dispatching to reader threads.  If you do not partition 
(and this is the case I was talking about) you probably put something 
into a single queue from which those 1,000 reader threads read and the 
selector thread is hammering it all the time from the other end.  And it 
gets worse if the number of channels increases.  If OTOH you have a 
fixed ratio between channels, selector thread and reader threads you 
limit the concurrency on the synchronization point.

> Note that poor structuring, like organizing your app such that the whole
> thing is serialized on one lock, isn't synchronization over head. It's
> just blocked.

Suggest a synchronization mechanism for the use case I described above 
(1 selector, 10,000 channels, 1,000 readers) and then we can talk about 
properties of that.

Kind regards

	robert

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  Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-09-24 20:46 +0100
    Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling Giovanni Azua <bravegag@hotmail.com> - 2011-09-24 23:09 +0200
    Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-09-25 11:33 +0200
      Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> - 2011-09-27 20:52 +0100
        Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-09-28 08:21 +0200
          Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling markspace <-@.> - 2011-09-28 08:20 -0700
            Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-09-28 18:56 +0200
              Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling markspace <-@.> - 2011-09-28 11:07 -0700
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              Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling markspace <-@.> - 2011-09-29 09:25 -0700
                Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-30 07:46 -0700
                Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling markspace <-@.> - 2011-09-30 08:22 -0700
                Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2011-09-30 08:30 -0700
                Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling markspace <-@.> - 2011-09-30 08:49 -0700
                Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-09-30 20:57 +0200
  Re: NIO multiplexing + thread pooling "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-09-25 00:26 -0400
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