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Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia

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Would you please stop top-posting? Please? This is a second request.

Respond in line.

Paka Small wrote:
> Lew wrote:
> > Paka Small wrote:
> > > Clearly a method is also a class which has method instances:
> > >http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/reflect/Method.html
> >
> > That is not correct.  A method is not a class.  The class 'Method' is a class,
> > but it is not a method.
> 
> Please lets retake Daniels statement "Those aren't instances, they are
> called methods." (lets call this statement A). From

Statement A, as you call it, was an objection to your blatant misrepresentation
that methods are classes, and a fair one.

> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/lang/reflect/Method.html
> one gets that a method (for example getClass()) in Java is an instance
> of the class Method. Lets call the latter B. A and B clearly are

No, one does not. Nowhere does it state that. 'Method' is a class used to _describe_ methods; it is not itself a method. A method is _described_ by the type 'Method'; it is not itself a type.

> contradictions. Therefore since Java is true about itself (and I can

There's nothing contradictory because your statement B is flat-out wrong.

"Java is true about itself" is a meaningless phrase - Java is defined by the 
Java Language Specification, which apparently you do not choose to read.

> testify Java reflection exists since I wrote code using method
> instances) the statement of Daniel is false.

Wrong. You used 'Method' instances, not "method instances", which _described_ 
but were not themselves methods. Daniel's statement was correct; yours are not.

I refer you again to the language specification, which you have apparently 
disregarded.
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/j3TOC.html

> > > . I suggest you get updated with OO programming and Java. Its [sic] called
> >
> > I suggest you be less snarky, especially when you are wrong.
> >
> > > Java reflection. I find it strange that in a JAVA [sic] programming group
> >
> > I find it strange that you cop such a strong attitude when you're wrong, and
> > cannot even spell "Java" correctly.
> >
> > > you put out with such vigour your statement ("Those aren't instances,
> > > they are called methods.") that is totally incorrect. My statement (a
> >
> > No, he was totally correct.
> >
> > > method is also a class which has method instances) is proven by the
> > > Oracle Java link above and backed up with 20 years of professional
> >
> > No, it is not.  A method is not a class.  The 'Method' class is a class, but it
> > is not a method.
> >
> > > software development experience. What are the references for your
> > > statement?
> >
> > http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/j3TOC.html
> 
> Please can you pinpoint where in this document is written that a Java
> method is not an instance of the class Method. If you believe I will
> try find to find a statement in a large document while as far as I
> know that statement is simply not there you must be kidding. Please
> prove your point and pinpoint the statement.
> 
> >
> > Your "20 years of professional software development experience" has, sadly,
> > left you with much arrogance and zero knowledge.
> >
> > In Java, as you will see from reading the Java Language Specification linked
> > above, which is the normative reference for the language definition, methods
> > and classes are not the same.
> >
> > > The above being said it is totally a good idea and in line with Java
> > > itself (or any other OO programming language) to classify in the OO
> > > Tumia framework a particular Java method like
> > > java.lang.Object.getClass() as an instance of the Tumia class "Java
> > > Method". Another Tumia Class could be for example "Dotnet Method". Do
> > > you GRASP it?
> >
> > What is a "Tumia Class [sic]"?  I don't see anything good about the idea you
> > propose.
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 25 jan, 20:23, Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nos...@virtualinfinity.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > On 1/25/12 6:58 AM, Paka Small wrote:
> > > > > You are kindly invited to check out the Instance
> > > > > java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on the object
> > > > > oriented directoryTumia:
> > > > [redacted]
> > > > > - Click some java.lang.Object.getClass() links or in the upper
> > > > > toolbar:
> > > > > - click the "-->"-button for the following java.lang.Object.getClass()
> > > > > links or
> > > > > - use theTumiaInstance combobox to select another Instance or
> > > > > - use theTumiaClass combobox to select another Class or
> > > > > - use the Relat. Instan. combobox to select a Related Instance.
> > > > What kind of spamming is this?  Those aren't instances, they are called
> > > > methods. This website seems to be fairly useless and somewhat dangerous.
> >
> > +1, Daniel

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Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-01-25 11:23 -0800
  Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-01-25 15:07 -0500
  Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Paka Small <paka-en@tumia.org> - 2012-02-04 08:43 -0800
    Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-02-07 08:22 -0500
  Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Paka Small <paka-en@tumia.org> - 2012-02-04 08:48 -0800
    Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-04 23:08 -0800
      Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Paka Small <paka-en@tumia.org> - 2012-02-05 03:13 -0800
        Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-05 11:45 -0800
          Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Paka Small <paka-en@tumia.org> - 2012-02-05 14:44 -0800
            Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-06 01:50 -0800
              Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Paka Small <paka-en@tumia.org> - 2012-02-06 12:00 -0800
                Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-06 17:13 -0800
                Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Paka Small <paka-en@tumia.org> - 2012-02-06 22:20 -0800
                Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Mayeul <mayeul.marguet@free.fr> - 2012-02-07 14:03 +0100
                Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-07 10:54 -0800
                Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Paka Small <paka-en@tumia.org> - 2012-02-07 12:38 -0800
                Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-07 16:42 -0800
                Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-02-07 12:53 -0800
                Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-02-07 13:32 -0800
        Re: Instance java.lang.Object.getClass() of Class Java Method on OO Tumia Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-02-05 11:51 -0800

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