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On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:09:27 -0700 (PDT), Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> Lew wrote:
>>>      Perish the thought that someone starting in Java might not find
>>> the JLS all that readable.  Perish the thought that someone might be
>>> able to explain something better than is done in the JLS.
>> 
>>      You prevaricate very well.  (prevaricate: to selectively tell the
>> truth in order to mislead)  I suggest that a Java newbie start with an
>> introductory text and use the JLS later.
>
>I never said a newbie should avoid introductory texts. Nor do I suggest 
>that a newbie rely on the JLS. You have misunderstood my points yet again.
>
>I agree that introductory texts are great to introduce Java.

     Do you agree that intro texts are not the JLS?

>My objection is to the active discouragement of the use of the JLS.

     So which is it?  When I state that a newbie should go with intro
texts, I am stating how a newbie should be introduced to Java.  The
JLS can come later.

>I recommend that newbies be aware of the JLS and practice reading 
>it from an early age. That is not so inconsistent with your recommendation.

     No, it is not.  I just think that starting with it will cause
more trouble than it is worth.

>As for calling me a liar, screw you.

     This is typical.  I did not call you a liar.  I stated that you
prevaricate.  Again, prevaricate: to selectively tell the truth in
order to mislead.

>> &gt;I don&#39;t demand that anyone read the JLS. I just point out that it has the 
>> &gt;answers, that for the most part it&#39;s readable and that the more obscure parts 
>> &gt;are amenable to study, and that it&#39;s worthwhile. Those who excoriate its use, 
>> &gt;as opposed to, say, recommending that one work with additional material as 
>> &gt;well, are leading the rest astray. I really don&#39;t understand this rabid 
>> &gt;rejection of such a useful resource.
>> 
>>      But we do not reject it.  By stating that we do, you get to score
>> points.  That sort of behaviour has gotten old.
>
>But you have rejected it, repeatedly. 

     Only for someone just starting out.

>> &gt;Those of you without an irrational fear of the JLS should judge for 
>> &gt;yourselves. Don&#39;t be afraid of it because the Genes of the world are trying to 
>> &gt;frighten you away from its use. Oh, don&#39;t use it as your only source, not even 
>> &gt;after you&#39;ve gained familiarity with it and with Java, but by all means use 
>> &gt;it. Gene is wrong to discourage that.
>> 
>>      Again, I do not do that.
>> 
>>      Lew, why do you keep turning things into unpleasant arguments?
>> There is a big difference between disagreeing and being disagreeable.
>> How about trying the former for a change?
>
>How about you stop trying to frighten folks away from the JLS?

     I do not.  I just suggest later, after the intro texts.

>If you agree with me that it's a valuable resource of which to be aware,
>and that one should aspire to its use eventually, then why do you argue 
>with me?

     That is odd.  *I* am the one who keeps stating eventually, and
you keep giving me trouble over it.

>It is you who resorts to name calling and unpleasantness. It is a raw
>tactic for you to accuse me of being "disagreeable" because you don't 
>agree that the JLS is a valuable resource. I am disagreeing so adamantly 
>because your continued speech against it is likely to discourage those 
>who would most benefit from it. You are performing a disservice to the 
>Java community, and when called on it, resort to name-calling and 
>ad hominem attacks.

     "disagreeing adamantly" is often disagreeable.  Stating that I
have "an irrational fear of the JLS" is name-calling on your part.

>I am only suggesting a balanced approach wherein from the very 
>start a Java programmer is aware of the definitive definition of 
>the language, and of the value of being able to use it. I am astounded 
>that anyone finds that objectionable, much less resorts to the sort 
>of underhanded responses in which you engaged.

     Prevarication is underhanded, and you have been busy doing it.

     I have consistently stated that a newbie should wait on using the
JLS.  I have never stated that it should not be used.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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