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Re: <? extends String> (was: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21)

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Steven Simpson wrote:
> Also, just because a class is final now, it might not be in the future.  

Not applicable to 'java.lang.String'.

It will never be non-final.

> It's harder to make an already published class final than to make a 
> final one non-final, because a currently final class won't have any 
> derivations that could be affected by its change of finality.  

You cannot speak in such general terms about 'java.lang.String'. 

> <potentially-dodgy-generalization>Finality is not final; non-finality 
> is.</potentially-dodgy-generalization> That said, it's not likely to 
> happen to String, and maybe there would be other consequences that keep 
> it unlikely.  Nevertheless, my code will remain neutral on this matter, 
> whatever happens.

You're solving a non-existent problem. The finality and immutability of 'String' 
are wired into the promises of the Java language and the type's special treatment by 
the compiler and runtime.

> Furthermore, the class could be re-factored to use (say) CharSequence.  
> By sticking to the principle that is correct whether String or 
> CharSequence is used, I worry less about the specifics of the type in 
> use as I make the change.

Whatever floats your boat. But defensive programming against scenarios that 
won't occur is not really a best practice.

Yes, you can predict that certain scenarios will not occur.

-- 
Lew

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exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-04-16 15:48 -0700
  Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-04-16 16:48 -0700
  Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-20 13:00 +0300
  Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-04-20 15:13 +0200
    Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-20 19:07 +0300
      Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-04-20 09:24 -0700
        Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-20 19:34 +0300
          Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-04-20 11:01 -0700
            Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 00:25 +0300
          Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-04-20 22:03 +0200
            Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 00:29 +0300
              Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-20 21:56 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 08:31 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-21 11:08 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-04-21 13:43 -0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 23:12 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-21 21:17 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-04-27 22:49 -0400
              Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-04-20 15:03 -0700
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 08:26 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-04-21 14:30 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2013-04-21 09:20 -0700
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 markspace <markspace@nospam.nospam> - 2013-04-21 11:31 -0700
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-04-21 16:06 -0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-21 19:47 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-21 23:01 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 23:29 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 23:45 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-21 21:38 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Knute Johnson <nospam@knutejohnson.com> - 2013-04-21 18:49 -0700
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-22 09:36 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-22 10:39 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-04-22 07:43 -0700
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-22 19:33 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-23 07:30 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-22 21:07 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-23 23:28 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-23 21:05 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 11:22 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2013-04-24 20:22 +0000
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2013-04-24 11:24 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 23:23 +0300
            Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-21 00:40 +0300
              Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-23 10:48 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Donkey Hottie <donkey@fredriksson.dy.fi> - 2013-04-23 13:31 +0300
                <? extends String> (was: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21) Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-23 14:55 +0100
                Re: <? extends String> lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-04-23 16:37 +0100
                Re: <? extends String> Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-04-23 08:50 -0700
                Re: <? extends String> lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-04-23 17:30 +0100
                Re: <? extends String> Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-04-23 09:58 -0700
                Re: <? extends String> Donkey Hottie <donkey@fredriksson.dy.fi> - 2013-04-23 21:06 +0300
                Re: <? extends String> lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-04-23 19:33 +0100
                Re: <? extends String> Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2013-04-23 12:26 -0700
                Re: <? extends String> lipska the kat <"nospam at neversurrender dot co dot uk"> - 2013-04-24 09:08 +0100
                Re: <? extends String> Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-04-23 16:28 -0300
                Re: <? extends String> (was: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21) Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2013-04-23 14:12 -0700
                Re: <? extends String> Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-23 23:22 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-23 19:56 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-23 23:31 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-23 23:39 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 09:29 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-24 10:26 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 13:11 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-24 22:24 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 11:49 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-25 10:19 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-04-25 09:02 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 11:47 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-25 09:50 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-25 10:07 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-04-27 08:44 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-26 20:17 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Steven Simpson <ss@domain.invalid> - 2013-04-27 09:22 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-27 12:39 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-23 23:17 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-04-23 17:32 -0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-24 10:39 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-04-25 09:02 +0100
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-25 11:59 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-04-25 18:38 -0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-28 10:57 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-04-27 22:35 -0400
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-04-28 09:23 +0300
                Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-04-28 09:52 -0400
  Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net> - 2013-04-20 17:52 +0300
    Re: exec problem is JDK 1.7.0_21 Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-04-27 22:31 -0400

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