[update] Re: I just do not fskn believe...!... THE absurdity installed by "Wolfgang M. Weyand" <wolf@eternal-september.org>[Paul G Derbyshire Usenet Presence August 2011]

From	"murphy" <grvtuenu@debbil.hunt.org.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.help, comp.lang.java.programmer, comp.lang.lisp
Subject	[update] Re: I just do not fskn believe...!... THE absurdity installed by "Wolfgang M. Weyand" <wolf@eternal-september.org>[Paul G Derbyshire Usenet Presence August 2011]
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Date	2011-09-12 03:28 +0000
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0n Mon, 1 Aug 2011 I [murphy] wrote in
<j16bcp$33t$1@dont-email.me> showing electronic tracking of
Paul G Derbysh!re's newest adventure into trolling AFN with:

>	Message-ID: <j15aqs$9lf$2@dont-email.me>
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>	Message-ID: <j15qj4$rsi$1@dont-email.me>
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>	Message-ID: <j160qm$mta$1@speranza.aioe.org>
>	Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 06:57:25 -0400
>	NNTP-Posting-Host: yifYu5jjQd240fPnOtRJZg.user.speranza.aioe.org
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>	Message-ID: <j14v1i$3pv$1@speranza.aioe.org>
>	Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:20:51 -0400
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>Paolo AND Ray!
[update]

I subsequently wrote Wolfgang (wolf @eternal-september.org) and asked this question - 
	"How do I ask why this poster is being 
	ignored, prompting a reply that makes sense?

The answer to which now leads to this post being made, despite some loose (avoiding) 
exchanges (eMails) being made in denying Wolfgang the out 
of "running from the problem".
The answer being - 

	"There is a server rule that automatically bans users who use more than
	 5 different nyms within 10 consecutive days.
	Sounds reasonable, doesn't it? The user in question (as neither you nor
	 I know his real identity, the names don't matter) has so far managed to
	 avoid hitting this limit."

Now. there are a number of issues which could be addressed in that 
statement, I point to what I see as the two prime issues, for Usenet and 
for the perspective held by regulars who have contributed profusely to AFN in 
years past, and, maybe see no reason not to continue despite the Noise from 
vagrants/miscreants/trolls... and the clinically insane.

The two issues being:
1. The absurdity of such a policy
2. The Truth of "neither you nor I know his real identity"

Reversing the order  - for clarity -  I address "know" in setting an ambience 
of candid veracity for this work (publication).

It would be to easy for those so inclined to look at the posts of 
"Ray Banana" <rayban @banana.shacknet.nu> and think "Ray knows".
Equally for those following the bouncing ball(s) I have posted around 
Derbysh!re's activity in AFN (with links as provenance) it would be quite 
reasonable for those enlightened gals 'n' guys to think 
"murphy/phlatArse knows".
Not good enough people. 
Wolfgang is using the legalese "know" not the anecdotal "know".
Simply put, Wolfgang is saying; 
	"put a document before me which identifies
	Paul G Derbysh!re as *any* of the posters you 
	claim him to be and I _may_ look at the activity.

So it is *all* of the arguments offered thusfar can be seen (as an excuse 
to do nothing) as "armchair attorneys" and/or "Usenet vigilantes" posting 
_opinion_ on Derbysh!re's activity.
Despite the fact logs from <news.eternal-september.org> would easily 
reveal the dynamics of the DNS range Derbysh!re uses, despite the fact 
seven clearly identifiable disconnected posters from five Countries 
(Ireland, Norway, USA, Canada, Australia) have published the 
provenance over many years, despite the fact Derbysh!re himself has 
published his own "outing"
in MiD: <0941e52b-d50a-4bc8-aa3f-930955de146c@d42g2000prb.googlegroups.com>
http://preview.tinyurl.com/PGDerbysh!reSpeaks
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?as_q=&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=100&scoring=
&lr=&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=2011&as_maxd=1&as_maxm=1
 &as_maxy=2011&as_ugroup=&as_usubject
      =&as_uauthors=pgderb%40gmail.com&safe=off
- despite *all* that - there is no way Wolfgang can *know* until he 
himself goes looking. 
What is the degree of difficulty?
The information is "public domain", has been for some years.
And not 'hidden', at all.. as the "bricks and mortar" would easily be 
discovered by the person holding the information of server access AND 
"six years as a NSP Admin" - Wolfgang's own words.
Wolfgang himself will tell you there is nothing "illegal" (in any terms) in 
searching out and publishing a person's Name and eMail address - read the 
ES TOS for proof. So there is no legal impediment to searching.
So, what is the problem for Wolfgang in looking?
Laziness, with a hint of a fear from repercussions, all same what Neal Hubbard 
[Cap'n Neal - Greg Hall (Squeaky] dished out in his tissy fits, when removed 
from Wolfgang's server.
The latter is easily dealt with by an Administration, the former is incurable.
	So it is I say I find it not acceptable (to me, personally) for NSP 
Administrators to expect, as a default situation, that the members of NGs 
have the responsibility of searching out and proving "know", 
when it is the NSP who has the only legally accessible database which holds the 
proof a vagrant/miscreant/troll is indeed ^whom^ the complainant points to.
	Worse, refusing to act until "know" is proved is just not good enough. 
The activity _should be_ ample evidence to prompt the Administrator to
contact the subscriber and warn the person.

Wolfgang refuses to do this simple step which would have an immediate effect.
His reasoning, so he says, is that such a slap would create a "Hannibal Lector" 
type Derbysh!re. Wolfgang is way too late in using that excuse, Derbysh!re is 
certifiable, has been for years - as the public record well displays 8-/
Wolfgang used similar excuse to deny warning "Git_RDunn <Git_RDunn@kh.kh>"
back in 2008 for his "Jihad" on <alt.binaries.news-server-comparison>, saying in:
Message-ID:<58857.193.243.189.117.1221123438.squirrel@banana.shacknet.nu>
	"I do not think people like GitRDunn (or Greg Hall/Wesley 
	Mouch/Gloria) are susceptible to hints, advice or warnings. 
	They do, however, understand a "502 Permission denied". I have 
	just noticed that GitRDunn's postings are in violation of 
	Motzarella's TOS, as the domain hk.hk does not exist."
					11 Sep 2008
"Git_RDunn" continued on in his campaign to undo what was then an attempt 
to revive <abnsc>, He didn't see out 2009, spending his last days frothing 
and ranting at posters.. dying in the traces, so to 
speak. Today <abnsc> is dead for the purpose it was created, all over 
Usenet advice on "which NSP do I buy"
is delivered "engroupe". It is very rare to see an enquiry in <abnsc>.
"Git_RDunn" took the task his buddies set, some four years previous, to his grave.
Derbysh!re is ~35, of sustainable physical fitness, fully supported by the 
State in his 20/7 thrashing of keyboards. One can only wonder just what will 
be the final impact on the Sci-Fi, TV fan, Java and gamers NGs he 
plagues, daily, before the "white-coats" decide to completely restrain 
his person to a padded cell.
I supply the list of names used by Derbysh!re in AFN since 2008. Others in
groups away from AFN should recognise many of them as being "kill-filed".
The list is not a complete list as I limited the search to two parameters:
a.) those electronically linked by Host - from the same node on that day
b.) those still available on servers today and thus easily verifiable
All of course are searchable through Google Advanced Search - 
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=&
. an onerous task (for some) the records none-the-less stand, irrefutable.
As there is no point to checking which are "live" I have disabled the 
addresses, saving networks the load of pinging through Spammers.

Canuck <canuck107 @canada.xyz>
Cthun <cthun_117 @qmail.net.au>
Chad Carmichael <c_carm10782.x @y.z>
dark-zark-fark <dzf190485 @rutgers.edu>
Deep Green <d_green11908 @gmail.com> (forgery)
Deeyana <d.awlberg @hotmail.invalid>
De Lurker <delancey_s113 @harvard.nospam.invalid>
Derek Yancey <dy190295683 @nospam.invalid>
Extravagan <extravagan @frogsoup.xelon.com>
Ferdinand the -14th <foo @bar.invalid>
Fuschia, President-Elect of the Bright Purplish-Green Council <fp-eotbp-gc @ibm.com>
George Arctos <g.arctos11 @hormair.cor>
Greg Kelly <gkelly101_4 @gmai1.c0m>
Greg Sandoval <g_sandoval @gcsma.edu.br>
Gheerax IV <gheerax.4 @gmail.invalid>
Handkea fumosa <hfumosa @gmail.com>
Hieronymus S. Freely <hsfreely @xavier.uwsc.edu>
Hydrocon <hcon77107 @geemail.corn>
Henry Harrison <hharr.1082 @quux.bar.foo>
Henderson <h1 @g1.f1>
Heike Svensson <hsvensson.1093x1_q @hotmail.nospam.com.please>
Harry Greer <h_greer_1099348 @gmail.xxx>
Janie Zanie <jjezebel916 @gmai1.invalid>
Jerry Gerrone <scuzwalla @gmail.com>
John Kirkpatrick XVII <jkxvii @ask.me>
Katie Gerrolds <k.gerrolds @nbfinlan.net>
Kevin Hadron <kh_mu_meson @q.us>
kensi <kensi_kensington @zoonoses.de>
KitKat <kitkat_11697 @gmail.example.com>
Meerkats <mk_ultra.19018 @gmail.com> (forgery)
Mister Scott <m_scott.19477b @noggles.corn>
Mrs. Danforth <danforth_a @hotmail.coo>
Mike Faramis <m_faramis808 @qmail.nospam.net>
Mamac <mmc.19384_b @gmai1.com>
Nancy 3 <n3 @gmai1.c0m>
Nancy 4 <n4 @gmai1.c0m> (forgery)
Nebulous <nebulous99 @gmail.com>
Nightcrawler <Dirtydeeds @dirtcheap.net>
Nougat Surprise <nsurprise @noway.nohow.invalid>
Orange Green <og_b1823 @netmail.zoog.com.au> 
Purpleswandir <ps_1201294 @gmail.com>
RichB <rich_barnsley @nowhere.com>
scuzwalla @gmail.com
SFTV_troll <SFTV_troll @yah.right>
Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108 @example.com>
<supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations 
  @averylongandannoyingdomainname.com>
Spock <spock @starfleet.ufp>
Series Expansion <serexp1 @gmail.com>
Seamus MacRae <smacrae319 @live.ca.invalid>
Snicker-snack! <ssnack119 @g00glema1l.c0m>
Tim <tharrison77107 @h0tmail.invalid>
Thursday's Leftovers <thursday.197 @hotmail.com>
thoolen <thoolen @tholenbot.thorium>
thoolen <tholen01 @gmail.com>
thoolen <th00len @th0lenbot.thorium>
Willy Wonka <w.wonk1028_x @gmail.xyz>

I know the person responsible for the attack on AFN in 2008 as "Seamus McRae"
  - campaigned since under many many names -  is Paul G Derbysh!re of 
Pembroke, Ontario [CA]. 
The same person posting as "Paul Derbysh!re" <pgderb @gmail.com>.
I know to the extent it is no trouble to obtain ALL his personal data, such 
is the way of things in the modern "Americas" under "Freedom".
Made easier by the fact Derbysh!re is permanently unemployable at just 
35 years of age. However such personal data is none of my business, nor 
that of any public media community.
All that is relevant is to address how I know, the proof I have known 
for quite some time past now. Easy enough done (by anyone) I simply 
followed the clues published by others in the years before and 
supplemented that with a little "social engineering".
Derbysh!re, despite the rants he builds sprouting an education, is not 
that "bright", and likely qualifies under Formosa's Law, so the task 
was not that onerous. http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/Formosas-Law.html

Following a tip posted to AFN by a departing member of <c.l.j.p>
led to.
##From:  Twisted <twisted0n3 @gmail.com>
##Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer
##Subject: Re: Java editor
##Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:11:16 -0000
##Message-ID: <1182301876.070277.260880@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
##NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.64.152.184

Which (in time) led to Derbysh!re and myself exchanging eMail.
##+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
##
##Email from Paul Derbysh!re - twisted0n3 @gmail.com
##
##Re: *Question from Another User*
##From Paul Derbysh!re Fri Jul 17 19:37:01 2009
##Authentication-Results: xxxxxx from=gmail.com; domainkeys=pass (ok);
##			 from=gmail.com; dkim=pass (ok)
##Return-Path: <twisted0n3 @gmail.com>
##Received:from ?192.168.1.100? (bas1-ottawa10-1279301645.dsl.bell.ca [76.64.152.13]) 
   by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm3955169eye.6.2009.07.17.12.37.05 
   (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:37:06 -0700 (PDT)
##Message-ID: <4A60D2DD.10107 @gmail.com>
##Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:37:01 -0400
##From: This sender is DomainKeys verified Paul Derbysh!re <twisted0n3 @gmail.com>  
##Reply-To: twisted0n3 @gmail.com
##User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605)
##To: <shxxxlxxxxx@ymail.com>
##Subject: Re: *Question from Another User*
##
##Shxxx Luxxxxx wrote:
##(crazy talk, and admits to emailing me under false pretenses)
##>Think long and carefully before you write your next mail. Patient and 
##>tolerant I am, a fool or one who suffers fools.. I am not.
##>You are very lucky it is I who tracked you,
##>others may not be so generous. If I can find you so easily so can others.
##This looks like a threat.
##I think we're done here. What's the term usenetters use? Ah, yes.
##*Plonk*.

Derbysh!re's current eMail contact is <twisted0n3 @gmail.com>, thoroughly 
tested and proven, Derbysh!re is receiving and reading mail at that address.
I am very sure both Wolfgang and Paolo Amorosso (of AIOE.org) also have the 
address on their desks carrying comment on my posts to AFN and ANH.

There can be absolutely no doubt the account holder who first posted as 
"Seamus McRae" in MID: <gug8i2$nis$1@news.motzarella.org>is known to Wolfgang 
today as the same account holder using ES (as a port) in posts to AFN. 
Derbysh!re has been with Sympatico-Bell.ca for some years, certainly longer 
than the period 2008-11, which contains all of the deliberate abuse of 
AFN generosity. Wolfgang could argue - in making excuse as he does in his 
statement quoted - that he does not know "the person" behind that account.
The person who responded to my request, the person who had no less than 6(six) 
exchanges in the developed eMail 'conversation', is the owner of the profile 
in the link below. MO.org forwarded my request to that member and that 
member responded.  
http://mushroomobserver.org/observer/show_user?_js=on&_new=true&id=621

Now Wolfgang does *know*, knows what I *know*.. in the full legal sense.

Next issue.
Dealing with the issue of Wolfgang's policy on 'nym-shifting' is something 
I leave largely to those interested in having the policy reviewed.  I have 
purposely left the topic to the near end as it is what should be most relevant
in this post to most AFN users. I myself want no part of that work. I simply 
make the information available as it is not detailed in ES FAQs (or TOS) 
at the time of writing (none of this post is written in anything close to 
"real time").
I have already told Wolfgang such a policy is an absurdity, to which his only 
response  was to request_I_ do the work to show why such is my thoughts.
What I did do is test the policy, and yes, it is in place and does work as 
Wolfgang describes.
IF it takes any reader of this post more then ten seconds to figure out 
just what someone of Paul Derbysh!re's mental state could do with a "free-kick"
in nym-shifting in threads, a few times a fortnight, ad infinitum.. then 
I respectfully suggest Usenet is just beyond you!

The rule is: One single name per text discussion NG - x-Posting has the 
home group first with the "reply-to" group last (in the string) making 
up the Groups Line (header).

Derbysh!re discovered the nym-shift ability without knowing the ES.org 
policy.. as is seen in the two posts I point to. In all cases Derbysh!re 
has followed up his own posted comment from either server 
(ES.org or AIOE.org). Paolo has indicated he too has no problem with posters 
changing out "From";
Message-ID: <ivpl71$it2$1@speranza.aioe.org>
I am not certain Paolo fully understands operations of Usenet, let alone 
a server! I address those issues in a separate posting.

The final word is directed squarely at Paul G Derbysh!re.
Kicking back at what you fail to comprehend, Paul -- and that simply because 
your education standard is hampered by a lack of completion --  is no solution, 
for anyone. Many people have attempted correcting stuff for you, all nowhere
near as persistent as I. That will not change, as long as you breathe you will 
endure, believe that.
Your immediate problem is in understanding presentation of a "persona".
As said previously, it is one per NG... regardless of the NSP. 
However, as also 'said' to you *personally* many times, your best course of 
action until the day you do "get it" is to use your RL name with a munged 
email address, as many many posters do do, as I have 
done, in the recent past.

The example is : "Paul G Derbysh!re" <twisted0n3_@gmail.com.invalid>

Responses to your posts under that "From" -- which bring you 
grief  -- are actionable under new laws in your Country and mine.
So it is you have no need to litigate civilly, as the Law protects your
"reputation". I am very sure someone can help you with a Legal Aid
request for service under Canadian "abuse of a carriage service" regulations 
so as to charge criminally whom-so-ever you find umbrage with.
Anything else in even remote association with your past behaviour in
forgeries, nym-shifting, sp0rging, is all "fair game" for _anyone_ to come 
down on you, heavily.. and there is not a damn thing you can do about *that*.

I have eMailed Nathan Wilson, making him aware of your preferred 
"modus operandi" in forums, pointing him to some fine examples of 
your use of multiple names in the <mushroomobserver.org> forum.
A copy of this post is included in that eMail.

Finally, you have never grasped the concept of Usenet hierarchies and thus 
built yourself a whole unique "mantrap". <alt.*> is reserved for "anarchy", 
anything goes, on the face of it. Not so in the rec,comp,sci and free 
hierarchies you choose to play the *same* way in as you 
do the <alt.*>.
Time will sort you out on that Usenet reality, Paul.. I trust you have the 
stamina to withstand the lessons.
Do carry on, Paul.. I fully understand you will not grasp any of this post 
as "news".

The bit all look at first... the End.

More than 7(seven) years I have been subscribed to AFN, seen Good Guys 
come and go, outnumbered ten to one by the quantity of Bad Guys done 
in, persuaded to "move on, Sunshine". That's all it takes, a few positively 
motivated persons holding to the ideology Usenet is for everyone, Free.. 
. as in Freedom. Not to be surrendered to the very few individuals who 
believe it is their Right to impinge on others Rights, Rights understood and 
upheld _by the majority_.
I had 'volunteered (years back) to support those who do endeavor to 
provide free Free Usenet access, support those who offered subscription based 
Free Usenet access, nothing more than cooperation expected in return for what 
has been many thousands of hours of work. I note 
most of those I joined with are either deceased, severely disabled, or plain 
ole' MIA.. now it is my Time.
Yet in true Usenet tradition I do not go quietly, nor without purpose.
Other social mediums are not for me, Usenet is all there is buuuut I can no 
longer contribute at a pace required to deliver the likes of Paul Derbysh!re 
on a  plate. Thus it is I jump to the Dark Side, 
to work at my leisure, leaving whomsoever is able to to deal with the twin 
problems of ES.org and AIOE.org in sorting themselves out.
Always remember, none of this is about Derbysh!re.. it is about how one person
can orchestrate problems for everyone when administration of NNTP servers
is not a priority of the owner/operator. 
Google Groups, Teranews, Shared-Secrets, BubbaNews, Octanews, and today, 
AIOE.org... are *all* examples of poor adminstration, bringing them to 
"rogue server" status.
Folks can use that, and will.

My first post as "murphy".
MID: <h2bjon$vtc$1@news.eternal-september.org>
You just read my last.

I have emailed Wolfgang requesting my ES accounts be cancelled.
Regardless I will make sure they are cancelled.
Wolfgang has my uninhibited permission to publish whatever content 
of eMails he wishes to rely on.
I have shut-down the Keith Renske Yahoo.com box making it a SpamHole.
The phlatarse @fm box will always reject Spam (ask ReLF, it was I who 
handed he that tip when he first rocked into AFN - big mistake I made)
but Fastmail.FM boxes shut down on auto-block after 40 days of inactivity anyways.

For those who think they see me in future times I can only wish you severe 
Tinnitus in your dreams. For those who know me well (eMail, whatever) and 
see me, know I will be smiling also. It is to you I say "adieu mein 
frenz and adios .. grazie' [hugs] for all the Good Times! May you and 
yours always bear well with all Life brings you".

/0ut
"murphy"+"news in service"+"Flash®"+Vinny Lingiari's Cousin +"wu®m" 
	2003 - 2011			[all formerly - phlatArse (pA)]
-- 
    .*.  
 -()  < Q. What is it that holds the 
    `*'     Derbysh!re world together.
	A. The brewing pot of 'shroom tea.
____________________________________________________________________

For those newbies who do find all of this (below) as TMI [too much information], 
choosing to "skip it", I offer this piece of advice. 
Skip it if you must but at least take the time to read the page at the link below. 
Therein is an understanding of what to avoid in becoming one, ever.
Anything else and someday someone just like myself (when I was 
keen and motivated) will pop your cork, turning you over... forever.
AUK [alt.usenet.kooks] is littered with the walking talking 'bodies' of persons who 
failed to listen to basic concepts when first addressing Usenet. 
Usenet is **not** a Fool's Paradise, more of a Purgatory. 
Take the lesson, play "nice".
The people who will crow the loudest at my passing are those whom I 
(myself) have impacted on in their Life, true headcases, swinging from 
my belt.
These are the losers who could not control their software, and thus
could not control their Read, leaving their grey cells (quanity unknown)
reverbrating with a pressure to post. That was their mistake.. resist 
making it yours.

Newbies read:
http://www.searchlores.org/way_kook.htm
____________________________________________________________________
Reference material:
________________

Asking Guggle "Whois Twisted @ gmail?" returns:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/twistingDerbysh!reStupid
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=3f8LMxQAAABzMoDGNQrZUnNS0epIshar
 OPANdqfI6prRsqjc7uCt1A

Some others who have found Derbysh!re in the past:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3CueadnREbevWvsuHfRVn-gg%
  40adelphia.com%3E
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.progressive/browse_thread/thread
  /d00d41200ed876c8/1d1851b81dcbc945?q=Derbysh!re+Single+Ottawa
http://groups.google.com/group/carleton.chat.suggestions/browse_thread/thread
  /5f11363d59e5786b/d13334abf1bfcc79?q=Derbysh!re+%22Carleton+University%22
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.kia-mennie/msg/c9946955fb73b48c?dmode=source
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/browse_thread/thread
  /0f45a32df19eca5b/5ab94b2f737d0f5c?show_docid=5ab94b2f737d0f5c
http://web.archive.org/web/20090617092700/http://kookpedia.net/index.php/Main_Page

Derbysh!re's claim to be a Veteran of military action in another Country:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
> Path: [*]news.eternal-september.org!not-for-mail 
> From: Seamus MacRae <smacrae...@live.ca.invalid> 
> Newsgroups: alt.free.newsservers 
> Subject: Re: ?Flat Ass, send Seamus MacRae his Bic lighter ( Zippos 
> suck ). Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:41:05 -0400 
> Message-ID: <h049q4$8s...@news.eternal-september.org> 
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) 

> Nope, hallucinogenic drugs just aren't my thing. I skipped all that 
> nonsense during the sixties -- too young for it anyway, and, 
> fortunately, too young to be sent to 'Nam. 

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

> Path: [*]motzarella.org!news.motzarella.org!not-for-mail 
> From: Seamus MacRae <smacrae...@live.ca.invalid> 
> Newsgroups: alt.free.newsservers,news.software.readers 
> Subject: Re: Ray Banana, Why do you provide such an excellent service 
> to Usenet? Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:10:14 -0400 
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> The name is Seamus, and I, unlike you, am in fact a decorated veteran. 
> I was in 'nam. 
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Classic Catches [on] Paul "Harold Yarmouth" Derbysh!re
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http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java.programmer/browse_thread/thread
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##From: Tim X <t...@nospam.dev.null>
##Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.java.programmer
##Message-ID: <87iqjoguri.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au>
##NNTP-Posting-Host: 748cdfdb.news.astraweb.com
##
##Series Expansion <sere.. .@gm....com> writes:
##
##> On May 25, 4:22Â am, Tim X <t...@nospam.dev.null> wrote:
##>> OK, I see, its ok for you to personally attack me by claiming I lied
##>
##> Well, it's kind of hard not to when you say something won't be a
##> personal atatck, and then spend four very long paragraphs telling the
##> whole world how stupid you think I am.
##>
##Well, it seems you want it both ways. In your first reply, you stated
##you didn't read what followed, now your claiming it was 4 paragraphs
##of me telling the world how stupid you are. Either you read it or you
##did not. 
##It would seem that your so concerned about people thinking your stupid
##that your makeing very basic errors in comprehension. I do not know you
##and don't know whether your stupid or not, but the evidence does
##indicate your overly defensive - to the point of interpreting any
##attempt to correct any misinformation you have as a personal attack. 
##How would someone have to phrase a correction for you so that it is not
##seen as a personal attack or do you never get anything wrong?
##
##Tim
##
##PS. I'm now very glad I didn't also correct your misinformation
##concerning blind programmers and graphical UIs. 
##
##PPS. FYI I've been a blind programmer for over 10 years and do happen to
##know a bit about it
##
##-- 
##tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au

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From: Bent C Dalager <b...@pvv.ntnu.no>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.programming
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:27:14 +0000 (UTC)
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> Seamus MacRae wrote:
> ) Willem wrote:
> )> Seamus MacRae wrote:
> )> ) <snip>
> )> ) I. Do. Not. Make. Mistakes.
> )> ) <snip>
>
> By the way, the statement 'I do not make mistakes' is delusional
> and megalomanic.  If you really believe that you should get
> professional help.  If not, you've just proven yourself a liar.
[..]
At the time he went under a variety of names, of which "Twisted" was
perhaps the most apt one. He discontinued them after the thread died
down and has occasionally re-emerged in c.l.j.p with new names, only
to have his behaviour recognized, participate in a brief exchange and
then disappear again. What has made the current reincarnation
particularly long-lived, I expect, is that he is an unknown phenomenom
in c.l.l and c.p so wasn't as readily ignored.
[..]
I made a pledge at the time to the c.l.j.p regulars that I would
discontinue the exchange. For that reason I have posted this only to
c.l.l and c.p. This is somewhat rude of me as I do not read either of
those groups, but on the other hand I will not be around to respond to
Seamus' inevitable rebuttal so there's a silver lining I suppose.

Cheers,
	Bent D
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http://mushroomobserver.org/comment/show_comment/38444?q=6rh4
By: Paul Derbysh!re (Twizzler)
Summary: This thread should probably just die.
^^I don’t agree that I’ve done anything to invite reprehensible responses. 
^^(And as for the “Usenet community”, I haven’t touched Usenet in years — 
^^too much heat and too little light for my tastes. Someone there is 
^^apparently (ab)using my name, or it’s another Paul Derbysh!re.)

Classic Derbysh!re Boast:
Message-ID: <h16d0n$fn2$1@news.eternal-september.org>
##As for "lucrative", I have managed to save up about $3 million and am 
##going to retire and go on vacation soon. A nice, long vacation with no 
##usenet. So if I suddenly disappear and stay gone, it's not because I've 
##"seen the light" and now agree with all of this nonsense that's being 
##posted. It's because I'm dancing with half-naked women in Tahiti and 
##couldn't care less what some bunch of fucknozzles are spouting 
##ignorantly on the Internet.

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