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| From | thoolen <tholen01@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.java.help, comp.lang.java.programmer, comp.lang.lisp |
| Subject | Re: I just do not fskn believe...!... THE absurdity installed by "Wolfgang M. Weyand" <wolf@eternal-september.org>[Paul G Derbyshire Usenet Presence August 2011] |
| Followup-To | comp.os.os2.advocacy |
| Date | 2011-09-11 21:46 -0700 |
| Organization | http://groups.google.com |
| Message-ID | <7eddb274-294a-4fe5-afe5-908a806be9f4@h6g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> (permalink) |
| References | <r47tling_Derbyshire_cods@4ax.com> |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
Followups directed to: comp.os.os2.advocacy
On 11/09/2011 11:28 PM, murphy wrote: NaN> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.help,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.lisp NaN> 0n Mon, 1 Aug 2011 I [murphy] wrote in NaN> <j16bcp$33t$1@dont-email.me> showing electronic tracking of NaN> Paul G Derbysh!re's newest adventure into trolling AFN with: What does your unsubstantiated allegation regarding "Paul G Derbysh! re" have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? And who is "Paul G Derbysh! re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> [update] What does your "update" have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> I subsequently wrote Wolfgang (wolf @eternal-september.org) and asked this question - NaN> "How do I ask why this poster is being NaN> ignored, prompting a reply that makes sense? What does your question of Wolfgang have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> The answer to which now leads to this post being made, despite some loose (avoiding) NaN> exchanges (eMails) being made in denying Wolfgang the out NaN> of "running from the problem". Who is "Wolfgang", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> The answer being - NaN> NaN> "There is a server rule that automatically bans users who use more than NaN> 5 different nyms within 10 consecutive days. NaN> Sounds reasonable, doesn't it? The user in question (as neither you nor NaN> I know his real identity, the names don't matter) has so far managed to NaN> avoid hitting this limit." What does your nymshifting and careful evasion of server rules have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Now. there are a number of issues which could be addressed in that NaN> statement, I point to what I see as the two prime issues, for Usenet and NaN> for the perspective held by regulars who have contributed profusely to AFN in NaN> years past, and, maybe see no reason not to continue despite the Noise from NaN> vagrants/miscreants/trolls... and the clinically insane. What do your trolling and your clinical insanity have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? Rather ironic that you'd mention trolls and the clinically insane generating noise in newsgroups, while trolling several Java and Lisp newsgroups with off-topic flamebait of a paranoid nature, murphy. NaN> The two issues being: NaN> 1. The absurdity of such a policy NaN> 2. The Truth of "neither you nor I know his real identity" What do your identity issues have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? It would be more appropriate for you to discuss your issues with your psychiatrist, murphy. NaN> Reversing the order - for clarity - I address "know" in setting an ambience NaN> of candid veracity for this work (publication). What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? You have *never* "set an ambience of candid veracity", murphy, given that everything you post is utter nonsense. NaN> It would be to easy for those so inclined to look at the posts of NaN> "Ray Banana" <rayban @banana.shacknet.nu> and think "Ray knows". Who is "Ray Banana", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> Equally for those following the bouncing ball(s) I have posted around NaN> Derbysh!re's activity in AFN (with links as provenance) it would be quite NaN> reasonable for those enlightened gals 'n' guys to think Who is "Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> "murphy/phlatArse knows". What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? More appropriate would be "murphy/phlatArse hallucinates", murphy. NaN> Not good enough people. What does your not being good enough have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Wolfgang is using the legalese "know" not the anecdotal "know". Anyone implementing rules fairly and impartially has to, murphy, or else they can be manipulated by malefactors into being the tools of oppression, or misled by lunatics like you into banning innocent people. NaN> Simply put, Wolfgang is saying; NaN> "put a document before me which identifies NaN> Paul G Derbysh!re as *any* of the posters you NaN> claim him to be and I _may_ look at the activity. Who is "Paul G Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> So it is *all* of the arguments offered thusfar can be seen (as an excuse NaN> to do nothing) as "armchair attorneys" and/or "Usenet vigilantes" posting NaN> _opinion_ on Derbysh!re's activity. Or perhaps this interpretation is more believable, murphy: Wolfgang quickly recognized you as a paranoid psycho, murphy, and is humoring you as much as possible and otherwise ignoring you. NaN> Despite the fact logs from <news.eternal-september.org> would easily NaN> reveal the dynamics of the DNS range Derbysh!re uses, despite the fact NaN> seven clearly identifiable disconnected posters from five Countries NaN> (Ireland, Norway, USA, Canada, Australia) have published the NaN> provenance over many years, despite the fact Derbysh!re himself has NaN> published his own "outing" NaN> in MiD:<0941e52b-d50a-4bc8- aa3f-930955de146c@d42g2000prb.googlegroups.com> Who is "Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. What do your URLs have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> - despite *all* that - there is no way Wolfgang can *know* until he NaN> himself goes looking. Classic pontification. It's called the empirical method, murphy, and all of modern science is built on it. A scientific mind requires evidence to be convinced of something, murphy, not just some paranoid rants emailed to him or randomly crossposted to irrelevant groups on Usenet. NaN> What is the degree of difficulty? What does your question have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> The information is "public domain", has been for some years. What does your dedicating of your paranoid rantifestos into the public domain have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? Though one wonders who would otherwise hold the copyrights, murphy. If there are multiple voices in your head, murphy, could one of them sue another one for infringement? NaN> And not 'hidden', at all.. as the "bricks and mortar" would easily be NaN> discovered by the person holding the information of server access AND NaN> "six years as a NSP Admin" - Wolfgang's own words. Who is "Wolfgang", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> Wolfgang himself will tell you there is nothing "illegal" (in any terms) in NaN> searching out and publishing a person's Name and eMail address - read the NaN> ES TOS for proof. So there is no legal impediment to searching. There is a moral impediment, murphy. NaN> So, what is the problem for Wolfgang in looking? Who is "Wolfgang", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> Laziness, with a hint of a fear from repercussions, all same what Neal Hubbard NaN> [Cap'n Neal - Greg Hall (Squeaky] dished out in his tissy fits, when removed NaN> from Wolfgang's server. Who is "Wolfgang", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> The latter is easily dealt with by an Administration, the former is incurable. Classic pontification. NaN> So it is I say I find it not acceptable (to me, personally) for NSP NaN> Administrators to expect, as a default situation, that the members of NGs NaN> have the responsibility of searching out and proving "know", NaN> when it is the NSP who has the only legally accessible database which holds the NaN> proof a vagrant/miscreant/troll is indeed ^whom^ the complainant points to. If you don't find the policies of your news server acceptable to you, personally, murphy, then switch to another one. The server has the right to be run in a manner that you, personally, disagree with, murphy. If that includes a policy, written or unwritten, against invading the privacy of one of its users upon the pseudonymous request of another based on unsubstantiated allegations, then so much the better, murphy. NaN> Worse, refusing to act until "know" is proved is just not good enough. It's good enough for the criminal justice system, murphy. In fact, the presumption of innocence is a cornerstone of all civilized justice systems. Acting before "know" is proved results in tragedies, murphy -- torches-and-pitchforks vigilantes destroying property and lives, innocents being lynched at the hands of mobs, and so forth. If you so strongly believe in the supremacy of an authoritarian rule over the individual's freedoms and, in particular, over the presumption of an individual's innocence, murphy, then perhaps you should move to China, or North Korea, or Iran, or Cuba, murphy. NaN> The activity _should be_ ample evidence to prompt the Administrator to NaN> contact the subscriber and warn the person. What does your vague allegation of unspecified nefarious "activity" on an unspecified "subscriber"'s part have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Wolfgang refuses to do this simple step which would have an immediate effect. Because doing so would turn him into a pawn of people like you, who would unjustly gain the ability to cause anyone to be arbitrarily served with a threat notice, murphy. NaN> His reasoning, so he says, is that such a slap would create a "Hannibal Lector" NaN> type Derbysh!re. Wolfgang is way too late in using that excuse, Derbysh!re is NaN> certifiable, has been for years - as the public record well displays 8-/ Who is "Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> Wolfgang used similar excuse to deny warning "Git_RDunn <Git_RDunn@kh.kh>" NaN> back in 2008 for his "Jihad" on <alt.binaries.news-server- comparison>, saying in: NaN> Message- ID:<58857.193.243.189.117.1221123438.squirrel@banana.shacknet.nu> Who is "Git_RDunn", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> "I do not think people like GitRDunn (or Greg Hall/Wesley NaN> Mouch/Gloria) are susceptible to hints, advice or warnings. NaN> They do, however, understand a "502 Permission denied". I have NaN> just noticed that GitRDunn's postings are in violation of NaN> Motzarella's TOS, as the domain hk.hk does not exist." NaN> 11 Sep 2008 What does that have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> "Git_RDunn" continued on in his campaign to undo what was then an attempt NaN> to revive <abnsc>, He didn't see out 2009, spending his last days frothing NaN> and ranting at posters.. dying in the traces, so to NaN> speak. Who is "Git_RDunn", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> Today <abnsc> is dead for the purpose it was created, all over NaN> Usenet advice on "which NSP do I buy" NaN> is delivered "engroupe". It is very rare to see an enquiry in <abnsc>. What does that have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> "Git_RDunn" took the task his buddies set, some four years previous, to his grave. NaN> Derbysh!re is ~35, of sustainable physical fitness, fully supported by the NaN> State in his 20/7 thrashing of keyboards. Who is "Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> One can only wonder just what will be the final impact on the Sci- Fi, NaN> TV fan, Java and gamers NGs he plagues, daily, before the "white- coats" NaN> decide to completely restrain his person to a padded cell. What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Lisp, murphy? All of the newsgroups you've indicated appear to be thriving, murphy, with either high signal traffic or very low noise, murphy. The ones with the highest noise levels are the TV newsgroups, murphy, and the noise in them is predominantly coming from right-wing political trolls, murphy. In the Java and gaming newsgroups, the most recent significant source of noise has been you, murphy. NaN> I supply the list of names used by Derbysh!re in AFN since 2008. Who is "Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> Others in groups away from AFN should recognise many of them as NaN> being "kill-filed". Classic erroneous presupposition. NaN> The list is not a complete list as I limited the search to two parameters: NaN> a.) those electronically linked by Host - from the same node on that day NaN> b.) those still available on servers today and thus easily verifiable Classic erroneous presupposition. NaN> All of course are searchable through Google Advanced Search - What does your URL have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> . an onerous task (for some) the records none-the-less stand, irrefutable. NaN> As there is no point to checking which are "live" I have disabled the NaN> addresses, saving networks the load of pinging through Spammers. Classic erroneous presupposition. NaN> Canuck <canuck107 @canada.xyz> NaN> Cthun <cthun_117 @qmail.net.au> NaN> Chad Carmichael <c_carm10782.x @y.z> NaN> dark-zark-fark <dzf190485 @rutgers.edu> NaN> Deep Green <d_green11908 @gmail.com> (forgery) NaN> Deeyana <d.awlberg @hotmail.invalid> NaN> De Lurker <delancey_s113 @harvard.nospam.invalid> NaN> Derek Yancey <dy190295683 @nospam.invalid> NaN> Extravagan <extravagan @frogsoup.xelon.com> NaN> Ferdinand the -14th <foo @bar.invalid> NaN> Fuschia, President-Elect of the Bright Purplish-Green Council <fp- eotbp-gc @ibm.com> NaN> George Arctos <g.arctos11 @hormair.cor> NaN> Greg Kelly <gkelly101_4 @gmai1.c0m> NaN> Greg Sandoval <g_sandoval @gcsma.edu.br> NaN> Gheerax IV <gheerax.4 @gmail.invalid> NaN> Handkea fumosa <hfumosa @gmail.com> NaN> Hieronymus S. Freely <hsfreely @xavier.uwsc.edu> NaN> Hydrocon <hcon77107 @geemail.corn> NaN> Henry Harrison <hharr.1082 @quux.bar.foo> NaN> Henderson <h1 @g1.f1> NaN> Heike Svensson <hsvensson.1093x1_q @hotmail.nospam.com.please> NaN> Harry Greer <h_greer_1099348 @gmail.xxx> NaN> Janie Zanie <jjezebel916 @gmai1.invalid> NaN> Jerry Gerrone <scuzwalla @gmail.com> NaN> John Kirkpatrick XVII <jkxvii @ask.me> NaN> Katie Gerrolds <k.gerrolds @nbfinlan.net> NaN> Kevin Hadron <kh_mu_meson @q.us> NaN> kensi <kensi_kensington @zoonoses.de> NaN> KitKat <kitkat_11697 @gmail.example.com> NaN> Meerkats <mk_ultra.19018 @gmail.com> (forgery) NaN> Mister Scott <m_scott.19477b @noggles.corn> NaN> Mrs. Danforth <danforth_a @hotmail.coo> NaN> Mike Faramis <m_faramis808 @qmail.nospam.net> NaN> Mamac <mmc.19384_b @gmai1.com> NaN> Nancy 3 <n3 @gmai1.c0m> NaN> Nancy 4 <n4 @gmai1.c0m> (forgery) NaN> Nebulous <nebulous99 @gmail.com> NaN> Nightcrawler <Dirtydeeds @dirtcheap.net> NaN> Nougat Surprise <nsurprise @noway.nohow.invalid> NaN> Orange Green <og_b1823 @netmail.zoog.com.au> NaN> Purpleswandir <ps_1201294 @gmail.com> NaN> RichB <rich_barnsley @nowhere.com> NaN> scuzwalla @gmail.com NaN> SFTV_troll <SFTV_troll @yah.right> NaN> Sulfide Eater <zaxx1108 @example.com> NaN> <supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations NaN> @averylongandannoyingdomainname.com> NaN> Spock <spock @starfleet.ufp> NaN> Series Expansion <serexp1 @gmail.com> NaN> Seamus MacRae <smacrae319 @live.ca.invalid> NaN> Snicker-snack! <ssnack119 @g00glema1l.c0m> NaN> Tim <tharrison77107 @h0tmail.invalid> NaN> Thursday's Leftovers <thursday.197 @hotmail.com> NaN> thoolen <thoolen @tholenbot.thorium> NaN> thoolen <tholen01 @gmail.com> NaN> thoolen <th00len @th0lenbot.thorium> NaN> Willy Wonka <w.wonk1028_x @gmail.xyz> What does your paranoia have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> I know the person responsible for the attack on AFN in 2008 as "Seamus McRae" NaN> - campaigned since under many many names - is Paul G Derbysh! re of NaN> Pembroke, Ontario [CA]. What does your unsubstantiated claim have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> The same person posting as "Paul Derbysh!re" <pgderb @gmail.com>. What does your unsubstantiated claim have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> I know to the extent it is no trouble to obtain ALL his personal data, such NaN> is the way of things in the modern "Americas" under "Freedom". NaN> Made easier by the fact Derbysh!re is permanently unemployable at just NaN> 35 years of age. However such personal data is none of my business, nor NaN> that of any public media community. Ironically, that hasn't stopped you spreading these dubious and unsubstantiated allegations about Derbysh!re to random and irrelevant newsgroups, murphy. NaN> All that is relevant is to address how I know, the proof I have known NaN> for quite some time past now. What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Easy enough done (by anyone) I simply followed the clues published by NaN> others in the years before and supplemented that with a little "social NaN> engineering". What do your dishonesty and paranoia have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Derbysh!re, despite the rants he builds sprouting an education, is not NaN> that "bright", and likely qualifies under Formosa's Law, so the task NaN> was not that onerous. Who is "Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. What does your URL have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Following a tip posted to AFN by a departing member of <c.l.j.p> NaN> led to. Classic ungrammatical sentence. There's a missing noun phrase between the preposition and the ending period, murphy. NaN> ##From: Twisted <twisted0n3 @gmail.com> NaN> ##Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer NaN> ##Subject: Re: Java editor NaN> ##Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:11:16 -0000 NaN> ##Message- ID:<1182301876.070277.260880@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> NaN> ##NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.64.152.184 What does any of that have to do with Lisp, murphy? NaN> Which (in time) led to Derbysh!re and myself exchanging eMail. Who is "Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> ##+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NaN> ## NaN> ##Email from Paul Derbysh!re - twisted0n3 @gmail.com NaN> ## NaN> ##Re: *Question from Another User* NaN> ##From Paul Derbysh!re Fri Jul 17 19:37:01 2009 NaN> ##Authentication-Results: xxxxxx from=gmail.com; domainkeys=pass (ok); NaN> ## from=gmail.com; dkim=pass (ok) NaN> ##Return-Path:<twisted0n3 @gmail.com> NaN> ##Received:from ?192.168.1.100? (bas1- ottawa10-1279301645.dsl.bell.ca [76.64.152.13]) NaN> by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm3955169eye. 6.2009.07.17.12.37.05 NaN> (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:37:06 -0700 (PDT) NaN> ##Message-ID:<4A60D2DD.10107 @gmail.com> NaN> ##Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:37:01 -0400 NaN> ##From: This sender is DomainKeys verified Paul Derbysh! re<twisted0n3 @gmail.com> NaN> ##Reply-To: twisted0n3 @gmail.com NaN> ##User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) NaN> ##To:<shxxxlxxxxx@ymail.com> NaN> ##Subject: Re: *Question from Another User* NaN> ## NaN> ##Shxxx Luxxxxx wrote: NaN> ##(crazy talk, and admits to emailing me under false pretenses) NaN> ##>Think long and carefully before you write your next mail. Patient and NaN> ##>tolerant I am, a fool or one who suffers fools.. I am not. NaN> ##>You are very lucky it is I who tracked you, NaN> ##>others may not be so generous. If I can find you so easily so can others. NaN> ##This looks like a threat. NaN> ##I think we're done here. What's the term usenetters use? Ah, yes. NaN> ##*Plonk*. What does your republication, doubtless without permission and therefore in violation of privacy, of someone's email have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Derbysh!re's current eMail contact is <twisted0n3 @gmail.com>, thoroughly NaN> tested and proven, Derbysh!re is receiving and reading mail at that address. Who is "Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> I am very sure both Wolfgang and Paolo Amorosso (of AIOE.org) also have the NaN> address on their desks carrying comment on my posts to AFN and ANH. Who are "Wolfgang" and "Paolo Amorosso", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using either alias. NaN> There can be absolutely no doubt the account holder who first posted as NaN> "Seamus McRae" in MID:<gug8i2$nis$1@news.motzarella.org> is known to Wolfgang NaN> today as the same account holder using ES (as a port) in posts to AFN. Who is "Seamus McRae", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> Derbysh!re has been with Sympatico-Bell.ca for some years, Who is "Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> certainly longer than the period 2008-11, which contains all of the NaN> deliberate abuse of AFN generosity. What does your deliberate abuse of AFN have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Wolfgang could argue - in making excuse as he does in his NaN> statement quoted - that he does not know "the person" behind that account. Who is "Wolfgang", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> The person who responded to my request, the person who had no less than 6(six) NaN> exchanges in the developed eMail 'conversation', is the owner of the profile NaN> in the link below. What does your claim have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> MO.org forwarded my request to that member and that member responded. What does your URL have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Now Wolfgang does *know*, knows what I *know*.. in the full legal sense. Who is "Wolfgang", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> Next issue. Classic ambiguity. NaN> Dealing with the issue of Wolfgang's policy on 'nym-shifting' is something NaN> I leave largely to those interested in having the policy reviewed. What does your nym-shifting have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> I have purposely left the topic to the near end as it is what should be NaN> most relevant in this post to most AFN users. Alas, nothing in your post is relevant to comp.lang.* users, murphy, yet you sent your post to those newsgroups instead of AFN anyway. NaN> I myself want no part of that work. I simply make the information NaN> available as it is not detailed in ES FAQs (or TOS) at the time of writing NaN> (none of this post is written in anything close to "real time"). What does that have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> I have already told Wolfgang such a policy is an absurdity, to which his only NaN> response was to request_I_ do the work to show why such is my thoughts. Who is "Wolfgang", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> What I did do is test the policy, and yes, it is in place and does work as NaN> Wolfgang describes. Who is "Wolfgang", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> IF it takes any reader of this post more then ten seconds to figure out NaN> just what someone of Paul Derbysh!re's mental state could do with a "free-kick" NaN> in nym-shifting in threads, a few times a fortnight, ad infinitum.. then NaN> I respectfully suggest Usenet is just beyond you! Who is "Paul Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> The rule is: One single name per text discussion NG - x-Posting has the NaN> home group first with the "reply-to" group last (in the string) making NaN> up the Groups Line (header). What does your rule have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Derbysh!re discovered the nym-shift ability without knowing the ES.org NaN> policy.. as is seen in the two posts I point to. In all cases Derbysh!re NaN> has followed up his own posted comment from either server NaN> (ES.org or AIOE.org). Who is "Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> Paolo has indicated he too has no problem with posters changing out "From"; NaN> Message-ID: <ivpl71$it2$1@speranza.aioe.org> Who is "Paolo", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. And the message you indicated is from "Aioe" and makes no mention of any "Paolo", murphy. Still suffering from hallucinations, murphy? NaN> I am not certain Paolo fully understands operations of Usenet, let alone NaN> a server! I address those issues in a separate posting. Who is "Paolo", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> The final word is directed squarely at Paul G Derbysh!re. Who is "Paul G Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> Kicking back at what you fail to comprehend, Paul -- and that simply because NaN> your education standard is hampered by a lack of completion -- is no solution, NaN> for anyone. Who is "Paul", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. And what does your unsubstantiated allegation that "Paul" is a drop-out have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Many people have attempted correcting stuff for you, all nowhere near as NaN> persistent as I. What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? Neither you nor anybody else has been correcting stuff for a nonexistent person, murphy, for obvious reasons. The only thing you have been persistent at is stalking a figment of your own imagination, murphy, and posting paranoid, off- topic screeds all over usenet in the process. NaN> That will not change, as long as you breathe you will endure, believe that. What does your threat towards "Paul" have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? If he actually existed, your threat would be grounds for his being able to obtain a TRO against you, murphy, enjoining you from any further contact with him. Be thankful that he's just a creature of your own mind, murphy. NaN> Your immediate problem is in understanding presentation of a "persona". What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? For "Paul" to have such a problem he'd first have to exist as more than just a paranoid delusion of yours, murphy. NaN> As said previously, it is one per NG... regardless of the NSP. What does your claim have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? And why do you think you can bind anyone else to a rule you make up on the spot, murphy? You aren't King of Usenet, murphy. Nevermind that your intended target doesn't even exist, murphy. You can't even get that right, murphy. NaN> However, as also 'said' to you *personally* many times, your best course of NaN> action until the day you do "get it" is to use your RL name with a munged NaN> email address, as many many posters do do, as I have NaN> done, in the recent past. What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? Half the people you've been harassing do appear to be using their real names with munged email addresses, murphy, yet your claim above implies that none of them are. NaN> The example is : "Paul G Derbysh!re" <twisted0n3_@gmail.com.invalid> Why should a large assortment of posters be forced to use that same From line, murphy, just on your say-so? That would result in massive confusion and inability of other people to tell them apart, murphy. And who declared you the final arbiter of who gets subjected to this rule and who doesn't? Are we really to expect that you can just name someone, by making a post like this one with a list of random names, and everyone you name is then forced to assume that particular identity, murphy? What does your lunatic demand of all of Usenet have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Responses to your posts under that "From" -- which bring you NaN> grief -- are actionable under new laws in your Country and mine. What does your claim have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> So it is you have no need to litigate civilly, as the Law protects your NaN> "reputation". Classic ambiguity. NaN> I am very sure someone can help you with a Legal Aid request for NaN> service under Canadian "abuse of a carriage service" regulations NaN> so as to charge criminally whom-so-ever you find umbrage with. What does your criminal conduct have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Anything else in even remote association with your past behaviour in NaN> forgeries, nym-shifting, sp0rging, is all "fair game" for _anyone_ to come NaN> down on you, heavily.. and there is not a damn thing you can do about *that*. What do your vague threat and your unsubstantiated allegations towards a figment of your own imagination have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> I have eMailed Nathan Wilson, making him aware of your preferred NaN> "modus operandi" in forums, pointing him to some fine examples of NaN> your use of multiple names in the <mushroomobserver.org> forum. What does your unsubstantiated allegation have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> A copy of this post is included in that eMail. What does your bothering of random people with unsolicited, long emailed paranoid screeds have to do with Java or Lisp, spammer? NaN> Finally, you have never grasped the concept of Usenet hierarchies and thus NaN> built yourself a whole unique "mantrap". What does your unsubstantiated allegation have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> <alt.*> is reserved for "anarchy", anything goes, on the face of it. Classic pontification. NaN> Not so in the rec,comp,sci and free hierarchies you choose to play the NaN> *same* way in as you do the<alt.*>. How ironic, coming as it does from someone who keeps posting off-topic paranoid screeds to rec.* and comp.*. NaN> Time will sort you out on that Usenet reality, Paul.. I trust you have the NaN> stamina to withstand the lessons. Who is "Paul", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> Do carry on, Paul.. I fully understand you will not grasp any of this post NaN> as "news". Who is "Paul", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> The bit all look at first... the End. What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> More than 7(seven) years I have been subscribed to AFN, seen Good Guys NaN> come and go, outnumbered ten to one by the quantity of Bad Guys done NaN> in, persuaded to "move on, Sunshine". That's all it takes, a few positively NaN> motivated persons holding to the ideology Usenet is for everyone, Free.. NaN> . as in Freedom. How ironic, coming as it does from someone intent on bullying numerous other people into adopting ludicrous restrictions on their From headers (restrictions that would even make it impossible for anyone else to easily tell them apart from one another!). NaN> Not to be surrendered to the very few individuals who NaN> believe it is their Right to impinge on others Rights, Rights understood and NaN> upheld _by the majority_. How ironic. NaN> I had 'volunteered (years back) to support those who do endeavor to NaN> provide free Free Usenet access, support those who offered subscription based NaN> Free Usenet access, nothing more than cooperation expected in return for what NaN> has been many thousands of hours of work. What does your "volunteering" to pollute usenet with vulgarity, paranoid screeds, and other low-value "content", usually crossposted where it's off-topic, have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? Surely you don't think that your wasting "thousands of hours" on generating your noise and pestering various news server admins with large volumes of frivolous complaints actually *entitles* you to anything other than possibly a knuckle sandwich, murphy? NaN> I note most of those I joined with are either deceased, severely disabled, NaN> or plain ole' MIA.. now it is my Time. Famous Last Words. NaN> Yet in true Usenet tradition I do not go quietly, nor without purpose. What does your noisemaking have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Other social mediums are not for me, Usenet is all there is buuuut I can no NaN> longer contribute at a pace required to deliver the likes of Paul Derbysh!re NaN> on a plate. Who is "Paul Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> Thus it is I jump to the Dark Side, to work at my leisure, What does your vague threat have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? Be aware that while the law will generally turn a blind eye to one more lunatic posting off-topic paranoid screeds on Usenet, murphy, it will come down on you hard if you start dabbling in hacking or similar crimes. NaN> leaving whomsoever is able to to deal with the twin> problems of ES.org NaN> and AIOE.org in sorting themselves out. What does your classic erroneous presupposition that either of those need "sorting out" have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Always remember, none of this is about Derbysh!re.. Who is "Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. And what does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? It's quite clear that your post is indeed about "Derbysh!re", and indeed that that person, if he even exists, has become the singular object of a truly scary level of obsessive fixation on your part in recent months, murphy. NaN> it is about how one person can orchestrate problems for everyone NaN> when administration of NNTP servers is not a priority of the NaN> owner/operator. How ironic. NaN> Google Groups, Teranews, Shared-Secrets, BubbaNews, Octanews, NaN> and today, AIOE.org... are *all* examples of poor adminstration, NaN> bringing them to "rogue server" status. What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> Folks can use that, and will. What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> My first post as "murphy". What does your nym-shifting have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> MID: <h2bjon$vtc$1@news.eternal-september.org> NaN> You just read my last. Famous Last Words. I wonder what nym you'll be posting as tomorrow, murphy? NaN> I have emailed Wolfgang requesting my ES accounts be cancelled. No doubt you'll also be creating new ones, murphy. NaN> Regardless I will make sure they are cancelled. Famous Last Words. NaN> Wolfgang has my uninhibited permission to publish whatever content NaN> of eMails he wishes to rely on. Who is "Wolfgang", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> I have shut-down the Keith Renske Yahoo.com box making it a SpamHole. Who is "Keith Renske", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias. NaN> The phlatarse @fm box will always reject Spam (ask ReLF, it was I who NaN> handed he that tip when he first rocked into AFN - big mistake I made) NaN> but Fastmail.FM boxes shut down on auto-block after 40 days of NaN> inactivity anyways. What does that have to do with Java or Lisp, murphy? NaN> For those who think they see me in future times I can only wish you severe NaN> Tinnitus in your dreams. How ironic, when you yourself think you see "Derbysh!re" in every newbie, under every rock, and lurking near every shadow, murphy. NaN> For those who know me well (eMail, whatever) and NaN> see me, know I will be smiling also. It is to you I say "adieu mein NaN> frenz and adios .. grazie' [hugs] for all the Good Times! May you and NaN> yours always bear well with all Life brings you". Classic insincerity. NaN> /0ut Famous Last Word. NaN> "murphy"+"news in service"+"Flash®"+Vinny Lingiari's Cousin +"wu®m" NaN> 2003 - 2011 [all formerly - phlatArse (pA)] Famous Last Words.
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Re: [update] Re: I just do not fskn believe...!... 00101010 <zerozeroonezeroonezeroonezero@h2g2.cazoola> - 2011-09-12 03:41 -0400
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