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Re: Please recommend a book

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On 29/10/2012 7:07 AM, bobwhite@mixnym.net wrote:
>> On 26/10/2012 12:32 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:54:53 -0000, bobwhite@mixnym.net wrote, quoted
>>> or indirectly quoted someone who said :
>>>
>>>> I'm lost with
>>>> all the imports
>>>
>>> get an IDE that computes and maintains them for you automatically. See
>>> http://mindprod.com/jgloss/ide.html
>>>
>>
>> It seemed to me his problem was understanding something that depends on
>> a gazillion imports, not managing the imports themselves.
>
> Correct, thanks for reminding them! And more to the point, how to get a
> handle on this since Java is my first foray into a serious OO language.

OK; it seems to me that if this thread is to help you we (or at least I) 
need to understand how the large APIs you're used to manage to avoid 
"zillions of imports"

On 26/10/2012 10:54 AM, bobwhite@mixnym.net wrote:
 > I am used to very large APIs I don't that's it. I think one of
 > the problems is the layering of things in Java and OO that I'm
 > not used to. The APIs I'm using are self contained and don't
 > build on other interfaces. I'm lost with all the imports and
 > what you need to get this or that class that depends on
 > zillions of other classes, or why they're needed. In my work
 > all I need to do is pull in the right API and it doesn't need
 > anything else. This is a big change in thinking.

This seems like the right comment to focus on for me to understand your 
problem. What kind of "large self-contained API" are you talking about? 
Can you give an example? For example, is it "large" in that it contains 
very many methods or procedures, but those procedures take only 
parameters of simple types like arrays and scalars? If so your problem 
isn't so much O-O specifically as the more basic idea of abstract data 
types. If that's the case then maybe we can recommend some targeted 
readings on that specific subject rather than 1500 pages on every detail 
of Java. But this is just a guess; we need to know more about your 
background.

 > And I don't think I understand how to read the API doc. I wish
 > there were a guide to this specific issue.

Hmm. Well, I rarely read an API description before I read the tutorial 
associated with the API (or at least the tutorial for whatever 
higher-level concepts use the APIs). So I usually have a pretty good 
mental framework into which to plug the details. Perhaps this ties back 
into other things you said about why the tutorials weren't particularly 
helpful for you?

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Please recommend a book bobwhite@mixnym.net - 2012-10-25 14:50 +0000
  Re: Please recommend a book Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2012-10-25 17:44 +0100
  Re: Please recommend a book markspace <-@.> - 2012-10-25 09:50 -0700
    Re: Please recommend a book bobwhite@mixnym.net - 2012-10-26 14:54 +0000
      Re: Please recommend a book "Charles Hottel" <chottel@earthlink.net> - 2012-10-26 11:14 -0400
      Re: Please recommend a book Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-10-26 09:32 -0700
        Re: Please recommend a book David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-10-26 17:17 -0400
          Re: Please recommend a book Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-26 15:04 -0700
          Re: Please recommend a book bobwhite@mixnym.net - 2012-10-28 22:05 +0000
          Re: Please recommend a book bobwhite@mixnym.net - 2012-10-29 11:07 +0000
            Re: Please recommend a book David Lamb <dalamb@cs.queensu.ca> - 2012-10-29 10:30 -0400
              Re: Please recommend a book bobwhite@mixnym.net - 2012-10-29 19:09 +0000
                Re: Please recommend a book Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-29 12:38 -0700
                Re: Please recommend a book Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-10-29 13:42 -0700
                Re: Please recommend a book markspace <-@.> - 2012-10-29 15:29 -0700
                Re: Please recommend a book Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-10-31 07:28 -0700
                Re: Please recommend a book bobwhite@mixnym.net - 2012-11-03 20:37 +0000
                Re: Please recommend a book Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-11-03 16:22 -0700
                Re: Please recommend a book markspace <-@.> - 2012-11-03 20:42 -0700
                Re: Please recommend a book bobwhite@mixnym.net - 2012-11-04 14:40 +0000
                Re: Please recommend a book Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-11-04 20:27 -0800
  Re: Please recommend a book Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-10-26 09:24 -0700
  Re: Please recommend a book Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-10-26 09:31 -0700
  Re: Please recommend a book Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-10-27 06:19 -0700
    Re: Please recommend a book bobwhite@mixnym.net - 2012-10-28 21:05 +0000
    Re: Please recommend a book bobwhite@mixnym.net - 2012-10-29 12:08 +0000
  Re: Please recommend a book Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-10-28 19:09 -0400
    Re: Please recommend a book bobwhite@mixnym.net - 2012-11-01 14:25 +0000
      Re: Please recommend a book Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2012-11-01 13:47 -0400

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