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Re: java still worthwhile?

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On 3/1/2019 5:10 AM, Joerg Meier wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 17:25:18 -0500, dale wrote:
> 
>> Is java still worth my effort? Just a pastime and something resulting to
>> note in my resume. I know the fundamentals of object oriented
>> architecture, design and programming. Don't quite like using Netbeans
>> IDE, or any other IDE, but could get used to it ...
> 
> Java is huge, gigantic; by many metrics it is or is competing for the #1
> language globally. It is absolutely worth the effort. Due to the enourmous
> ecosystem, the spread of Java is also all but guaranteed for the coming
> decades. On the flip side, that does mean that there is a wide breadth of
> knowledge that potential employees would like you to have - EE, Spring,
> Hibernate, JPA, Struts, Vaadin, Dropwizard, GWT, play, Vert.x, just to name
> a few.
> 
> If you aim to ever actually work in a professional Java environment, I fear
> you are ill advised by some of the replies you have gotten. I have
> considered whether to broach that subject as I don't like putting down
> fellow developers, but if you were to utter that you dont use an IDE or
> that you use Ant in a job interview, you would be rightfully laughed out
> the door at almost any employer.
> 
> If you want to use Java in the job market, I would argue that you must at
> least have a working familiarity with the following:
> 
> - Either Eclipse or IntelliJ IDEA. Java is explicitly developed for use
> from an IDE, and not using one will mark you as someone mentally stuck in
> the 90s and unwilling to change. I'm sorry to state this so agressively,
> but this point cannot be overstated. In the Java world, IDEs won, it's that
> simple. We literally throw away applications that dont list one of the big
> three IDEs in their skills section.
> 
> - Maven and, optionally, Gradle. Maven is the de-facto standard of Java
> development, with Gradle being the newer but still and possibly permanently
> runner up. Ant is an antiquated tool that even at its prime was widely
> loathed because it is quite horrible and that has been on a steep decline
> since 2005.
> 
> - Git, another de-facto standard of the professional Java world. Source
> control is a must-have even if you work alone, and professional
> colaborative work in this day and age is unthinkable without modern source
> control software, and Git is a lonely leader in the Java world.
> 
> - The basics of logging frameworks. Java has a bunch of these, but
> thankfully, in the last few years, they have pretty much united under the
> framework agnostic abstraction SLF4J. SLF4J being a facade, not a
> framework, it allows you and others to use whatever logging framework you
> prefer, while having the logging statements compatible. You will need a
> founding in logging frameworks for really any serious Java project, no
> matter whether you do front-end, back-end, middleware, batch jobs, games,
> SaaS or any other thing that comes along tomorrow.
> 
> Liebe Gruesse,
> 		Joerg
> 

Thanks for the detailed reply Joerg !!!

Is Netbeans an acceptable IDE?

How about github instead of git?

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dale - https://www.dalekelly.org/

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java still worthwhile? dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2019-02-26 17:25 -0500
  Re: java still worthwhile? dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2019-02-26 18:37 -0500
  Re: java still worthwhile? Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2019-02-27 07:28 -0500
    Re: java still worthwhile? dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2019-02-27 09:32 -0500
  Re: java still worthwhile? Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2019-03-01 11:10 +0100
    Re: java still worthwhile? dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2019-03-01 10:11 -0500
      Re: java still worthwhile? Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2019-03-05 09:40 +0100
        Re: java still worthwhile? dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2019-03-05 09:33 -0500
          Re: java still worthwhile? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-03-05 13:56 -0800

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