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Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing?

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On 2020-08-06 20:15, slawek wrote:
> "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> Wrote in message:
>> Java 8 included FX support but after that you have to download a separate jar and also contend with the "new features**" of Maven or Gradle.
> 
> I have summarize my "research".
> 
> 1. It is not possible use Ant. I must use a mambo-jambo (a new
>  language for Gradle, new tools and mabye sign in to some
>  repos/services) AND again learn n-th time how to write "Hello
>  world" (no more EDT, a rather stupid assumption that the app ==
>  window, dozen objects before a single window will be created, no
>  chance to migrate with existing code).
> 
> 2. Apache Netbeans+JDK8+JavaFx - no fun - the Fx examples does not
>  work at all.
> 
> 3. There is no good tutorials on JavaFx. Most tutorials is on old
>  versions like 9.
> 
> 4. The vendor lock - the only free avaliable versions are buggy -
>  for example 11.0.2 is buggy, the updated 11.x.x are non-free (no
>  avaliable compiled libs).
> 
> 5. And last but also important - there is exactly one entusiast of
>  JavaFx - You. Nobody else answered on pros Fx.
> 
> Actually Swing is rather... mature... old... maybe obsolete. But
>  usefull. Java Fx is like BR discs - superior but useless. (Yep, I
>  have a BR drives/recorders etc. But - with the 8K, fibers,
>  terabyte pendrives - I don't use Bluray anymore.)


I did a lot of Swing back in the days. I did a little bit of JavaFX
recently. I would lean towards recommending the latter over the former,
for the reasons Jeff mentioned, and for some he didn't -- notably the
CSS support, i.e. the separation of model and presentation, which is a
huge improvement IMHO. The beans binding are really neat, too, if a bit
tricky to get the hang of and clunky in tight corners.

Note that you don't have to do your scenes in XML. POJC works, too.

> 1. It is not possible use Ant

So don't. It's an outdated tool. I don't like Gradle either, but Maven
is mature and powerful. At any rate, dependency management is its own
can of worms, and not limited to Swing.

> no more EDT

Really?
<https://docs.oracle.com/javafx/2/architecture/jfxpub-architecture.htm>

> no chance to migrate with existing code

True. For better or for worse.

> There is no good tutorials on JavaFx.

Not even here: <https://openjfx.io/openjfx-docs>?

> And last but also important - there is exactly one entusiast of
>  JavaFx - You. Nobody else answered on pros Fx.

Nobody else answered until I did now, period. Would you rather you had
gotten zero answers? Why did you ask then?

> Actually Swing is rather... mature... old... maybe obsolete. But
> usefull

Swing is solid and if you know it well (and you *have* to know it well
in order to be proficient with it), then it's a good choice.

But it most certainly is the past. For any newly created UI that you
expect to have a meaningful lifetime, JavaFX is very likely the better
choice.

-- 
DF.

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Is JavaFx better than Swing? slawek <x.y@org.org> - 2020-08-04 14:59 +0200
  Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> - 2020-08-05 09:22 -0700
    Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? slawek <x.y@org.org> - 2020-08-06 20:15 +0200
      Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2020-08-07 01:42 +0200
        Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? slawek <x.y@org.org> - 2020-08-07 10:52 +0200
          Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2020-08-08 02:47 +0200
            Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? slawek <x.y@org.org> - 2020-08-11 10:00 +0200
              Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2020-08-11 12:33 +0200
                Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? Graeme Geldenhuys <graemeg@example.net> - 2020-10-22 22:10 +0100
                Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? slawek <x.y@org.org> - 2020-10-26 07:39 +0100
                Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? James Shisia <jamesshisia6@gmail.com> - 2022-08-23 05:48 -0700
          Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> - 2020-08-08 09:43 -0700
            Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? slawek <x.y@org.org> - 2020-08-11 10:13 +0200
              Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> - 2020-08-15 09:26 -0700
                Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? slawek <x.y@org.org> - 2020-08-20 14:37 +0200
    Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? Graeme Geldenhuys <graemeg@example.net> - 2020-10-22 21:09 +0100
      Re: Is JavaFx better than Swing? Graeme Geldenhuys <graemeg@example.net> - 2020-10-22 21:46 +0100

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