Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > comp.lang.forth > #134766 > unrolled thread

gforth maintained in Debian

Back to article view | Back to comp.lang.forth

Contents

  gforth maintained in Debian albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-03-21 13:10 +0100
    Re: gforth maintained in Debian dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 23:53 +1100
      Re: gforth maintained in Debian minforth <minforth@gmx.net> - 2026-03-21 19:53 +0100
        Re: gforth maintained in Debian dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 11:11 +1100
        Re: gforth maintained in Debian Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2026-05-31 19:16 +0000
          Re: gforth maintained in Debian Buzz McCool <buzz_mccool@yahoo.com> - 2026-06-01 11:34 -0700
    Re: gforth maintained in Debian Buzz McCool <buzz_mccool@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-23 09:02 -0700
      Re: gforth maintained in Debian anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-23 18:46 +0000
        Re: gforth maintained in Debian albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-03-24 12:52 +0100
          Re: gforth maintained in Debian anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-24 17:51 +0000
        Re: gforth maintained in Debian Buzz McCool <buzz_mccool@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-24 10:29 -0700

#134766 — gforth maintained in Debian

I am pleased to see that Bernd Paysan maintains gforth in Debian.
The version is still 0.7.3 but the good news is that gforth remain
officially in Debian.

Groetjes Albert
-- 
The Chinese government is satisfied with its military superiority over USA.
The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy
over 80 years, like Western Europe.

[toc] | [next] | [standalone]

#134767

On 21/03/2026 11:10 pm, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
> I am pleased to see that Bernd Paysan maintains gforth in Debian.
> The version is still 0.7.3 but the good news is that gforth remain
> officially in Debian.

Win version is not maintained at all and it's a six year old 0.7.9 ;)

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#134768

Am 21.03.2026 um 13:53 schrieb dxf:
> On 21/03/2026 11:10 pm, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
>> I am pleased to see that Bernd Paysan maintains gforth in Debian.
>> The version is still 0.7.3 but the good news is that gforth remain
>> officially in Debian.
> 
> Win version is not maintained at all and it's a six year old 0.7.9 ;)
> 

Try WSL2

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#134769

On 22/03/2026 5:53 am, minforth wrote:
> Am 21.03.2026 um 13:53 schrieb dxf:
>> On 21/03/2026 11:10 pm, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
>>> I am pleased to see that Bernd Paysan maintains gforth in Debian.
>>> The version is still 0.7.3 but the good news is that gforth remain
>>> officially in Debian.
>>
>> Win version is not maintained at all and it's a six year old 0.7.9 ;)
>>
> 
> Try WSL2

Heathkit was premised on the idea that the customer should assemble the
product and that there were enough enthusiasts prepared to do so.  Where
is it now?  Torvalds thinks it's a bad model too.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#135118

Am Sat, 21 Mar 2026 19:53:03 +0100 schrieb minforth:

> Am 21.03.2026 um 13:53 schrieb dxf:
>> On 21/03/2026 11:10 pm, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
>>> I am pleased to see that Bernd Paysan maintains gforth in Debian. The
>>> version is still 0.7.3 but the good news is that gforth remain
>>> officially in Debian.
>> 
>> Win version is not maintained at all and it's a six year old 0.7.9 ;)
>> 
>> 
> Try WSL2

That's the reason why I stopped maintaining the Win version.  It turned 
out that WSL was getting better at running native Linux Gforth than Cygwin 
was running Gforth compiled from source, so it became a waste of time.  At 
that time, I had a customer project which was supposed to be running on an 
embedded Linux later, and the customer did run it on WSL to try it, and 
was happy with it.

Especially with features in upcoming Gforth 1.0 like Wayland-based MINOS2, 
which WSL2 supports out of the box in WSLg, and Cygwin would be a very 
time consuming port to get something similar up and running.

RMS says porting to non-free operating systems should only be done if 
there's no other option, and time should be spent on more important things 
to do.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
net2o id: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*
https://bernd-paysan.de/

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#135121

>>> On 21/03/2026 11:10 pm, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
...
>>> Win version is not maintained at all and it's a six year old 0.7.9 ;)

>> Am 21.03.2026 um 13:53 schrieb dxf:
>> Try WSL2

On 5/31/2026 12:16 PM, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> That's the reason why I stopped maintaining the Win version.  It turned
> out that WSL was getting better at running native Linux Gforth than Cygwin
> was running Gforth compiled from source, so it became a waste of time.
...
> 
> Especially with features in upcoming Gforth 1.0 like Wayland-based MINOS2,
> which WSL2 supports out of the box in WSLg, and Cygwin would be a very
> time consuming port to get something similar up and running.

Perhaps a note at https://gforth.org/ to the effect that gforth is supported
on Windows via WSL would avoid confusion?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#134771

On 3/21/2026 5:10 AM, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
> I am pleased to see that Bernd Paysan maintains gforth in Debian.

I don't see it in Debian 13 "trixie".
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=trixie&arch=any&mode=path&searchon=contents&keywords=gforth

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#134772

Buzz McCool <buzz_mccool@yahoo.com> writes:
>On 3/21/2026 5:10 AM, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
>> I am pleased to see that Bernd Paysan maintains gforth in Debian.
>
>I don't see it in Debian 13 "trixie".

Debian did not include Gforth in Debian 13, with the root cause being
that the former maintainer did not have enough time.  Debian 13 has
been released, and it won't grow additional packages later; Debian
point releases are only for bug fixes (at least that's my
understanding).

But the package by Bernd Paysan is now in unstable and testing, and
will hopefully be included in Debian 14 "forky".

If you are running Debian 13, I recommend installing Gforth (either
(preferably) a recent snapshot or 0.7.3) from the tarball at
<https://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/gforth/>.

- anton
-- 
M. Anton Ertl  http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
     New standard: https://forth-standard.org/
EuroForth 2025 proceedings: http://www.euroforth.org/ef25/papers/

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#134773

In article <2026Mar23.194619@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>,
Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
>Buzz McCool <buzz_mccool@yahoo.com> writes:
>>On 3/21/2026 5:10 AM, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
>>> I am pleased to see that Bernd Paysan maintains gforth in Debian.
>>
>>I don't see it in Debian 13 "trixie".
>
>Debian did not include Gforth in Debian 13, with the root cause being
>that the former maintainer did not have enough time.  Debian 13 has
>been released, and it won't grow additional packages later; Debian
>point releases are only for bug fixes (at least that's my
>understanding).
The news was that there was a new maintainer. That is the precondition
that bugs can be fixed. I saw 4 bugs marked high. Apparently that
hinders having gforth to go in the latest release.

>
>But the package by Bernd Paysan is now in unstable and testing, and
>will hopefully be included in Debian 14 "forky".
>
>If you are running Debian 13, I recommend installing Gforth (either
>(preferably) a recent snapshot or 0.7.3) from the tarball at
><https://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/gforth/>.

I tried to build 0.7.3 recently, and it is a tribute to Debian and gforth
that after many years the build from source still works.
Open source rocks!

>
>- anton

Groetjes Albert
-- 
The Chinese government is satisfied with its military superiority over USA.
The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy
over 80 years, like Western Europe.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#134779

albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl writes:
>I tried to build 0.7.3 recently, and it is a tribute to Debian and gforth
>that after many years the build from source still works.

However, gforth-0.7.3 disables dynamic native code generation with the
code produced with gcc-7 and later; there is a workaround for that in
the development version, and in the Debian package that Bernd Paysan
built.

Another interesting story is that I recently built gforth-0.3.0 on
AMD64 (which was not tested when it was released in 1996, because
AMD64 only came out in 2003), and the result ran just fine.

- anton
-- 
M. Anton Ertl  http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
     New standard: https://forth-standard.org/
EuroForth 2025 proceedings: http://www.euroforth.org/ef25/papers/

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#134778

On 3/23/2026 11:46 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
> ...
> But the package by Bernd Paysan is now in unstable and testing, and
> will hopefully be included in Debian 14 "forky".
Thanks for the information!

[toc] | [prev] | [standalone]

Back to top | Article view | comp.lang.forth

csiph-web