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| From | Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: single-xt approach in the standard |
| Date | 2024-09-21 23:18 +0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <vcn658$1n5o7$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 2024-09-21 18:47, Stephen Pelc wrote: > On 17 Sep 2024 at 15:04:16 CEST, "Ruvim" <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> wrote: > >> There is a point of view (which I don't share) that it is impossible to >> implement the standard word `s"` (from the File word set) in a standard >> *program*. I.e., that the following definition for `s"` is not standard >> compliant: >> >> : s" ( "ccc" -- sd | ) >> [char] " parse >> state @ if postpone sliteral exit then >> dup >r allocate throw tuck r@ move r> >> ; immediate >> >> This effectively means that the classic single-xt approach is impossible >> for a standard system. > > The problem with definitions such as yours above is that they attempt to > solve the problem of words with "non-default compilation semantics" > (NDCS) using both immediacy and state-smart techniques. Why is this a problem? They were implemented only in this way before cmForth (AFAIK). > There is nothing in the standard that says it has to be done that way. Yes. It may be done in this way, as well as in other way. Actually, the Forth-94 standard was intended to cover the classic single-xt systems and cmForth. No other approaches were in use in 1993 (to my knowledge). > The trouble is that the standard provides no tools to implement such > words. We (MPE) provide such tools in VFX Forth 64, which comes > with full source code. > If the standard removes the entitlement to have words such as S" a > significant portion of implementors will just ignore the standard, so reducing > its usefulness. Agreed. > I suspect that some members of the TC only talk to each other, and have > little or no contact with people who disagree with them on fundamental > issues. What are the particular fundamental issues? And where can these people be heard? -- Ruvim
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single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-17 14:54 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2024-09-17 11:20 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-17 15:59 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Anthony Howe <achowe@snert.com> - 2024-09-17 14:58 -0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 13:39 +1000
Standardization process (was: single-xt approach in the standard) Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 11:07 +0400
Re: Standardization process dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 20:16 +1000
Re: Standardization process Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 14:51 +0400
Re: Standardization process dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 23:39 +1000
Re: Standardization process Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 18:41 +0400
Re: Standardization process Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 15:59 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 12:44 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Gerry Jackson <do-not-use@swldwa.uk> - 2024-09-18 21:59 +0100
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-19 10:17 +0200
Standard testsuite (was: single-xt approach in the standard) Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-19 12:24 +0400
Re: Standard testsuite (was: single-xt approach in the standard) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-19 10:54 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-09-17 12:15 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-17 17:04 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2024-09-17 13:58 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-17 18:55 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-17 17:22 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 12:51 +1000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 15:42 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 12:15 +1000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-22 07:54 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-22 12:05 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 13:34 +1000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Anthony Howe <achowe@snert.com> - 2024-09-23 10:45 -0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-24 14:50 +1000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 10:35 +1000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 20:57 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-22 17:13 +0000
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Re: Semantics as observable behavior (was: single-xt approach in the standard) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-22 21:04 +0000
Re: Semantics as observable behavior Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 02:01 +0400
Re: Semantics as observable behavior Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 11:36 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-22 21:34 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 00:02 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-23 09:40 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2024-09-23 08:42 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:28 +1000
Standard compliance for systems (was: single-xt approach in the standard) Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 10:56 +0400
Re: Standard compliance for systems dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-11-22 16:49 +1100
Re: Standard compliance for systems minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2024-11-22 10:11 +0000
Re: Standard compliance for systems mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-11-22 11:35 +0000
Re: Standard compliance for systems minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2024-11-22 13:11 +0000
Re: Standard compliance for systems mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-11-22 15:26 +0000
Re: Standard compliance for systems dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-11-23 11:54 +1100
Re: Standard compliance for systems albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-11-23 14:09 +0100
Re: Standard compliance for systems dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-11-24 12:02 +1100
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Stephen Pelc <stephen@vfxforth.com> - 2024-09-21 14:47 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 23:18 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Stephen Pelc <stephen@vfxforth.com> - 2024-09-22 12:09 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-22 14:28 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-22 21:20 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-22 11:53 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 01:15 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-23 10:36 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-09-23 09:32 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-23 13:57 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-23 17:02 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-09-23 19:20 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 14:16 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-23 16:52 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 11:27 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-17 17:18 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Anthony Howe <achowe@snert.com> - 2024-09-17 15:12 -0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-17 19:25 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Anthony Howe <achowe@snert.com> - 2024-09-24 07:08 -0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Stephen Pelc <stephen@vfxforth.com> - 2024-09-17 23:04 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 10:10 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-09-18 06:38 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-19 12:26 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 14:34 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 16:41 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 18:43 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-19 10:36 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 14:58 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-17 21:15 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 12:15 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard peter.m.falth@gmail.com (PMF) - 2024-09-21 21:28 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-22 07:23 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 21:34 +0400
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