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| Date | 2024-09-22 12:15 +1000 |
|---|---|
| Subject | Re: single-xt approach in the standard |
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
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| From | dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> |
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| Organization | Ausics - https://newsgroups.ausics.net |
On 21/09/2024 9:42 pm, Ruvim wrote:
> On 2024-09-21 06:51, dxf wrote:
>> On 17/09/2024 11:04 pm, Ruvim wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a point of view (which I don't share) that it is impossible to implement the standard word `s"` (from the File word set) in a standard *program*. I.e., that the following definition for `s"` is not standard compliant:
>>>
>>> : s" ( "ccc" -- sd | )
>>> [char] " parse
>>> state @ if postpone sliteral exit then
>>> dup >r allocate throw tuck r@ move r>
>>> ; immediate
>>>
>>> This effectively means that the classic single-xt approach is impossible for a standard system.
>>
>> Forth-94 section A.1.2 indicates the X3J14 Technical Committee were guided by
>> several considerations including:
>>
>> "Cost of compliance
>> This goal includes such issues as common practice, how much existing code
>> would be broken by the proposed change, and the amount of effort required to
>> bring existing applications and systems into conformity with the Standard.
>>
>> Utility
>> Be judged to have sufficiently essential functionality and frequency of use
>> to be deemed suitable for inclusion."
>>
>> As 200x has since sought fit to require:
>>
>> - a separate fp stack
>> - quote-delimited character interpretation ('A')
>> - S" support two interpretive buffers
>
> This does not exclude the classic single-xt approach.
>
> Do you mean that these points do not meet the "Cost of Compliance" and "Usefulness" considerations?
IMO small systems are better off with Forth-94. And if they're doing that
they'll be free to implement things actually useful to them as the pressure
to conform has passed.
>> nobody that has complied should be worried about excluding systems that use a
>> state-smart S" .
>
> I do not understand how this follows from the above. My system complies with the above points, and it is a single-xt system. Why I should not be worried?
>
> Moreover, excluding the single-xt approach does *nothing* useful for programs.
Same for the items I listed. The real question is what major system still uses
single-xt and would object were it excluded.
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single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-17 14:54 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2024-09-17 11:20 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-17 15:59 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Anthony Howe <achowe@snert.com> - 2024-09-17 14:58 -0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 13:39 +1000
Standardization process (was: single-xt approach in the standard) Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 11:07 +0400
Re: Standardization process dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 20:16 +1000
Re: Standardization process Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 14:51 +0400
Re: Standardization process dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 23:39 +1000
Re: Standardization process Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 18:41 +0400
Re: Standardization process Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 15:59 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 12:44 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Gerry Jackson <do-not-use@swldwa.uk> - 2024-09-18 21:59 +0100
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-19 10:17 +0200
Standard testsuite (was: single-xt approach in the standard) Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-19 12:24 +0400
Re: Standard testsuite (was: single-xt approach in the standard) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-19 10:54 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-09-17 12:15 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-17 17:04 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2024-09-17 13:58 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-17 18:55 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-17 17:22 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 12:51 +1000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 15:42 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 12:15 +1000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-22 07:54 +0000
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Re: single-xt approach in the standard dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 13:34 +1000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Anthony Howe <achowe@snert.com> - 2024-09-23 10:45 -0400
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Re: Semantics as observable behavior Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 11:36 +0400
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Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 00:02 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-23 09:40 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2024-09-23 08:42 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 15:28 +1000
Standard compliance for systems (was: single-xt approach in the standard) Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 10:56 +0400
Re: Standard compliance for systems dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2024-11-22 16:49 +1100
Re: Standard compliance for systems minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2024-11-22 10:11 +0000
Re: Standard compliance for systems mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-11-22 11:35 +0000
Re: Standard compliance for systems minforth@gmx.net (minforth) - 2024-11-22 13:11 +0000
Re: Standard compliance for systems mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-11-22 15:26 +0000
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Re: Standard compliance for systems albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-11-23 14:09 +0100
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Re: single-xt approach in the standard Stephen Pelc <stephen@vfxforth.com> - 2024-09-21 14:47 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-21 23:18 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Stephen Pelc <stephen@vfxforth.com> - 2024-09-22 12:09 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-22 14:28 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-22 21:20 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-22 11:53 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 01:15 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-23 10:36 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-09-23 09:32 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-23 13:57 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-23 17:02 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-09-23 19:20 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-23 14:16 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-23 16:52 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-25 11:27 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-17 17:18 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Anthony Howe <achowe@snert.com> - 2024-09-17 15:12 -0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-17 19:25 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Anthony Howe <achowe@snert.com> - 2024-09-24 07:08 -0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Stephen Pelc <stephen@vfxforth.com> - 2024-09-17 23:04 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 10:10 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2024-09-18 06:38 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-19 12:26 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 14:34 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 16:41 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 18:43 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2024-09-19 10:36 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2024-09-20 14:58 +0200
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-17 21:15 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-18 12:15 +0400
Re: single-xt approach in the standard peter.m.falth@gmail.com (PMF) - 2024-09-21 21:28 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2024-09-22 07:23 +0000
Re: single-xt approach in the standard Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> - 2024-09-22 21:34 +0400
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