Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions

From	dxf <dxforth@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions
Date	2025-06-08 12:16 +1000
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On 8/06/2025 9:31 am, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
> In article <87plff4938.fsf@nightsong.com>,
> Paul Rubin  <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> For (.) (D.) (U.) that's certainly not the case in Gforth.
>>> I said the Standard hadn't factored them out.  Several forths of course
>>> have factored them out.
>>
>> Well I think you were saying the standard SHOULD have factored them out,
>> presumably because they are both useful to users, and reasonably
>> necessary parts of the underlying implementation that could have been
>> exported, as opposed to just giving more clutter for implementers to
>> supply.
> 
> It is occasionally useful to have conversions to a string that
> not immediately prints. Even figforth had a (D.R) that was a
> D.R without the type.

Not standard FigForth which only had D.R

> But thanks to the #-set a conversion is very short :
>    : (.) 0 <# #S #> ;
> I tend to define such word in the application , otherwise you end up
> adding (.) (U.) (D.) (UD.) (D.R) to the standard.

The first three anyway.  That it seems wrong to you and others that
a forth should logically include them only serves to illustrate
what 50 years of conditioning by the Standard has done to the forth
consciousness.  It makes a person say 'I will only have Standard
words'.

>> So now I have to also wonder what they do and what they are good for.
>>
>>>> As for /CHAR >CHAR >DIGIT HELD MU* MU/MOD TRIM UNNEST
>>
>> Same for these.  I can sort of guess at a few.
> 
> People tend to use additions and forget that they are not standardized,
> making programs unreadable and/or unusable.
> 
> I prefer specifying library functions that are used as source and
> can be looked up as source, and if need be can be added to the application
> if porting.
> 
> Groetjes Albert

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THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-05-31 11:10 +1000
  Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-05-31 06:02 +0000
    Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-05-31 20:53 +1000
      Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions sjack@dontemail.me (sjack) - 2025-06-03 20:48 +0000
    Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-05-31 13:53 +0200
      Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-05-31 16:07 +0000
        Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-01 12:47 +0200
          Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-06-01 15:15 +0000
            Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-01 19:35 +0200
  Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-01 19:44 +0200
    Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-02 14:58 +1000
    Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-02 12:44 +0200
      Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-02 21:20 +0200
        Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-03 13:23 +1000
          Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions mhx@iae.nl (mhx) - 2025-06-03 06:04 +0000
            Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-04 12:03 +1000
              Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 12:47 +0200
          Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-06-03 06:10 +0000
            Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 00:44 +1000
              Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions sean@conman.org - 2025-06-04 19:25 +0000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 16:09 +1000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-05 12:17 +0200
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 10:47 +1000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions sean@conman.org - 2025-06-06 06:15 +0000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-06 13:00 +0200
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions sean@conman.org - 2025-06-06 21:06 +0000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-07 13:10 +1000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions sean@conman.org - 2025-06-07 04:26 +0000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-07 14:42 +1000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-06-07 09:43 +0000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 00:06 +1000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-06-07 12:58 -0700
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-08 01:31 +0200
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-06-07 18:49 -0700
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 13:36 +1000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-06-08 08:07 +0000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-08 13:34 +0200
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-06-10 14:11 -0700
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 12:16 +1000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-06-08 07:56 +0000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-08 13:51 +0200
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 00:45 +1000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-09 12:49 +0200
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 21:36 +1000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-09 12:24 +0000
                Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions zbigniew2011@gmail.com (LIT) - 2025-06-07 14:41 +0000
              Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-05 12:12 +0200
          Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions John <john@somewhere> - 2025-06-03 03:43 -0500
        Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-06-03 12:30 +0200
          Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2025-06-03 15:10 +0200

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