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  Should comp.lang.c.moderated be revived? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 19:08 -0700
    Re: Should comp.lang.c.moderated be revived? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 20:17 -0700
    Re: Should comp.lang.c.moderated be revived? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-03-11 09:00 +0100
      Re: Should comp.lang.c.moderated be revived? John McCue <jmccue@qball.jmcunx.com> - 2025-03-13 14:39 +0000
    Re: Should comp.lang.c.moderated be revived? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-11 21:28 -0700
      Re: Should comp.lang.c.moderated be revived? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-12 04:37 +0000
        Re: Should comp.lang.c.moderated be revived? Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2025-03-13 01:23 +0000
      Re: Should comp.lang.c.moderated be revived? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 23:24 -0700
      Re: Should comp.lang.c.moderated be revived? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-12 09:14 +0000
    Re: Should comp.lang.c.moderated be revived? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 17:28 -0700
    Re: Should comp.lang.c.moderated be revived? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 14:28 -0700

#390999 — Should comp.lang.c.moderated be revived?

I just saw a post on news.announce.newgroups posted 2025-01-03, subject
"1st RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator".

"This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the following
101 moderated newsgroups."

comp.lang.c.moderated is on the list.

Seebs was the moderator of comp.lang.c.moderated, but has
not participated since 2014.  There have been no posts on
comp.lang.c.moderated since then.

There have been discussions here in comp.lang.c in 2018 and 2021
about reviving comp.lang.c.moderated.  I emailed Seebs about this
at the time, and he expressed tentative interesting in seeing it
revived, but with someone else moderating it.

My tentative opinion is that it's probably not worth reviving,
but if others are sufficiently interested *and* someone volunteers
to moderate it, perhaps it could be done.  If it were revived,
I'd certainly subscribe and participate.

One possible concern is that if comp.lang.c.moderated is removed,
historical posts might be lost.  I don't know whether that's
a valid concern.  It might depend on the policies of individual
Usenet servers and archives.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#391002

Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
> I just saw a post on news.announce.newgroups posted 2025-01-03, subject
> "1st RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator".
>
> "This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the following
> 101 moderated newsgroups."
>
> comp.lang.c.moderated is on the list.
>
> Seebs was the moderator of comp.lang.c.moderated, but has
> not participated since 2014.  There have been no posts on
> comp.lang.c.moderated since then.
>
> There have been discussions here in comp.lang.c in 2018 and 2021
> about reviving comp.lang.c.moderated.  I emailed Seebs about this
> at the time, and he expressed tentative interesting in seeing it
> revived, but with someone else moderating it.
>
> My tentative opinion is that it's probably not worth reviving,
> but if others are sufficiently interested *and* someone volunteers
> to moderate it, perhaps it could be done.  If it were revived,
> I'd certainly subscribe and participate.
>
> One possible concern is that if comp.lang.c.moderated is removed,
> historical posts might be lost.  I don't know whether that's
> a valid concern.  It might depend on the policies of individual
> Usenet servers and archives.

Seebs replied to my email:
"""
I'd be happy to hand it off to someone but I'm pretty overwhelmed
right now and couldn't actually participate. But I still have the
account and could hand it off.

-s
"""

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#391009

On 11/03/2025 03:08, Keith Thompson wrote:
> I just saw a post on news.announce.newgroups posted 2025-01-03, subject
> "1st RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator".
> 
> "This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the following
> 101 moderated newsgroups."
> 
> comp.lang.c.moderated is on the list.
> 
> Seebs was the moderator of comp.lang.c.moderated, but has
> not participated since 2014.  There have been no posts on
> comp.lang.c.moderated since then.
> 
> There have been discussions here in comp.lang.c in 2018 and 2021
> about reviving comp.lang.c.moderated.  I emailed Seebs about this
> at the time, and he expressed tentative interesting in seeing it
> revived, but with someone else moderating it.
> 
> My tentative opinion is that it's probably not worth reviving,
> but if others are sufficiently interested *and* someone volunteers
> to moderate it, perhaps it could be done.  If it were revived,
> I'd certainly subscribe and participate.
> 

Subscribing to a group costs nothing more than a tiny bit of screen real 
estate to show the group name, even if it is silent.  I am subscribed to 
a few dead, or almost dead, groups - I am sure most Usenet regulars are. 
  So if c.l.c.m were resurrected, I'd subscribe - and would reply if any 
threads did pop up that I thought were worth replying to.

However, I cannot imagine it receiving much traffic.  Many of the 
interesting threads here are started by new people, or by posters who 
are likely to find themselves censored or limited by a moderator - 
without such posters, there would be no life in the group.

If a discussion group is moderated, it really needs multiple moderators 
spread across times - otherwise it is too slow, and gives too much power 
and responsibility to one person and their subjective opinions.

So it is hard for me to imagine that it would be worth the effort.

> One possible concern is that if comp.lang.c.moderated is removed,
> historical posts might be lost.  I don't know whether that's
> a valid concern.  It might depend on the policies of individual
> Usenet servers and archives.
> 

It also depends on what the posts are, and how much is of use or 
interest to anyone else.

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#391128

David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
<snip?
> 
> However, I cannot imagine it receiving much traffic.

This is my belief also, especially with google groups
posts not arriving here anymore.

<snip>

> So it is hard for me to imagine that it would be worth the effort.

I agree, IIRC even when it was active decades ago, it did
not have a huge amount of posts.  But back then clc was
filled with spam, so I went to clcm for a while until it
seems the mods disappeared.

<snip>

-- 
[t]csh(1) - "An elegant shell, for a more... civilized age."
                        - Paraphrasing Star Wars

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#391070

Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

> I just saw a post on news.announce.newgroups posted 2025-01-03, subject
> "1st RfD:  Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator".
>
> "This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the following
> 101 moderated newsgroups."
>
> comp.lang.c.moderated is on the list.
>
> Seebs was the moderator of comp.lang.c.moderated, but has
> not participated since 2014.  There have been no posts on
> comp.lang.c.moderated since then.
>
> There have been discussions here in comp.lang.c in 2018 and 2021
> about reviving comp.lang.c.moderated.  I emailed Seebs about this
> at the time, and he expressed tentative interesting in seeing it
> revived, but with someone else moderating it.
>
> My tentative opinion is that it's probably not worth reviving,
> but if others are sufficiently interested *and* someone volunteers
> to moderate it, perhaps it could be done.  If it were revived,
> I'd certainly subscribe and participate.
>
> One possible concern is that if comp.lang.c.moderated is removed,
> historical posts might be lost.  I don't know whether that's
> a valid concern.  It might depend on the policies of individual
> Usenet servers and archives.

I am in favor of reviving comp.lang.c.moderated, and hope a
suitable moderating arrangement can be found.

Technical question:  is it feasible to have moderating duties
be shared among several people on some sort of rotating basis?
I have no experience moderating a usenet news group.

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#391072

On 12/03/2025 04:28, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> 
> I am in favor of reviving comp.lang.c.moderated, and hope a
> suitable moderating arrangement can be found.
> 
> Technical question:  is it feasible to have moderating duties
> be shared among several people on some sort of rotating basis?
> I have no experience moderating a usenet news group.

Neither have I. A few years ago I came close to moderating clcm, 
but I skipped out of Seebs's way just in time.

I have no desire to end up being /the/ moderator, but would 
gladly share the task if a pool of good folk could be agreed upon.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#391117

Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:

> On 12/03/2025 04:28, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>> I am in favor of reviving comp.lang.c.moderated, and hope a
>> suitable moderating arrangement can be found.
>> Technical question:  is it feasible to have moderating duties
>> be shared among several people on some sort of rotating basis?
>> I have no experience moderating a usenet news group.
>
> Neither have I. A few years ago I came close to moderating clcm, but I
> skipped out of Seebs's way just in time.
>
> I have no desire to end up being /the/ moderator, but would gladly share
> the task if a pool of good folk could be agreed upon.

I too would be happy to help, though I have never done it before.

-- 
Ben.

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#391074

Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
[...]
> I am in favor of reviving comp.lang.c.moderated, and hope a
> suitable moderating arrangement can be found.
>
> Technical question:  is it feasible to have moderating duties
> be shared among several people on some sort of rotating basis?
> I have no experience moderating a usenet news group.

I'm fairly sure it is.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#391084

In article <86h63yub2r.fsf@linuxsc.com>,
Tim Rentsch  <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> wrote:
>I am in favor of reviving comp.lang.c.moderated, and hope a
>suitable moderating arrangement can be found.
>
>Technical question:  is it feasible to have moderating duties
>be shared among several people on some sort of rotating basis?
>I have no experience moderating a usenet news group.

It is; or at least it is possible to set up a pool to share the
responsibility.  I understand the software is often a bit janky
and may need some work.

	-Dan C.

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#391115

Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
> I just saw a post on news.announce.newgroups posted 2025-01-03, subject
> "1st RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator".
>
> "This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the following
> 101 moderated newsgroups."
>
> comp.lang.c.moderated is on the list.
[...]

There's some more discussion of this in news.announce.newgroups, on the
thread "3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator".
n.a.n is moderated, so there may be some delay before articles posted
there appear.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#393188

Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
> I just saw a post on news.announce.newgroups posted 2025-01-03, subject
> "1st RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator".
>
> "This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the following
> 101 moderated newsgroups."
>
> comp.lang.c.moderated is on the list.
>
> Seebs was the moderator of comp.lang.c.moderated, but has
> not participated since 2014.  There have been no posts on
> comp.lang.c.moderated since then.
>
> There have been discussions here in comp.lang.c in 2018 and 2021
> about reviving comp.lang.c.moderated.  I emailed Seebs about this
> at the time, and he expressed tentative interesting in seeing it
> revived, but with someone else moderating it.
>
> My tentative opinion is that it's probably not worth reviving,
> but if others are sufficiently interested *and* someone volunteers
> to moderate it, perhaps it could be done.  If it were revived,
> I'd certainly subscribe and participate.
>
> One possible concern is that if comp.lang.c.moderated is removed,
> historical posts might be lost.  I don't know whether that's
> a valid concern.  It might depend on the policies of individual
> Usenet servers and archives.

comp.lang.c.moderated is no longer on the list of groups to be deleted.

An article was posted today in news.announce.newgroups,
news.groups.proposals, and news.groups, subject "3rd RFD: Mass-deletion
of moderated groups without a moderator (LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS)".

From that article:

"""
Keith Thompson suggested that retaining comp.lang.c.moderated in order
to preserve its posting history and/or to revive the group, provided
there were enough demand.  Keith Thompson contacted the previous
moderator of comp.lang.c.moderated, who confirmed that he is too busy
to resume moderating the group but is willing to hand it over to
another moderator.  Keith indicated that he would be willing to
somehow help out with a revived group, and referred to discussions on
comp.lang.c where other posters expressed interest in participating.
Richard Heathfield likewise expressed interest.  Dan Cross opined that
the group should either be given a new moderator or deleted.
comp.lang.c.moderated is therefore excluded from the LCC.
"""

If anyone is sufficiently motivated to revive comp.lang.c.moderated,
we can do so, and we're no longer under a deadline.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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