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Re: printf format specifier changes

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Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> On 06/07/2015 19:44, Richard Heathfield wrote:
[...]
> But the idea can be refined a bit more and it still couldn't be called a 
> mini-language.
>
>> There is prior art for an alternative system that allows precise format
>> control without requiring you to work /quite/ so hard on the types - the
>> iostream model used by C++. It may not be a good example, but it is at
>> least a horrible warning.
>
> It looks awful.

Tastes differ.  Personally, I have no esthetic problem with C++'s
use of overloaded >> and << operators for I/O; in that context,
I just don't think of them as shifts, and they do visually indicate
the direction in which the information flows.  (The same technique
couldn't be used in C without adding operator overloading to the
language.)

What I find annoying is that the constructs used to control formatting
(setting precision, width, base, etc) *change the state of the stream*.

In C, I can write:

    printf("x = 0x%x\n", x);

to print a value in hexadecimal, and it doesn't affect the next thing I
print.  In C++, if I write:

    std::cout << "x = 0x" << std::hex << x << "\n";

then the next integer I print will be in hexadecimal -- and if there's a
clean idiom to restore a stream to its previous state, I'm not familiar
with it.

If anybody designs a new formatted I/O system for C, please don't do
that.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 09:04 -0700
  Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 17:50 +0100
    Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 11:34 -0700
      Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 19:47 +0100
        Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 19:53 +0100
          Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 11:57 -0700
      Re: printf format specifier changes "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 10:53 +0100
        Re: printf format specifier changes Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-06 04:21 -0700
        Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-06 13:41 +0100
    Re: printf format specifier changes Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-06 19:44 +0100
      Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 22:14 +0100
        Re: printf format specifier changes Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-06 22:43 -0500
        Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-06 23:01 -0700
          Re: printf format specifier changes glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-07 06:43 +0000
          Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-09 10:52 +0300
            Re: printf format specifier changes Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-09 09:26 +0100
              Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-12 12:56 +0300
                Re: printf format specifier changes Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-12 06:12 -0700
        Re: printf format specifier changes Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-07 10:22 +0200
          Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 10:10 +0100
      Re: printf format specifier changes Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-07-07 00:54 -0700
    Re: printf format specifier changes Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-07-07 15:08 +0100
      Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 16:12 +0100
        Re: printf format specifier changes raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-09 10:34 +0000
          Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-09 12:25 +0100
            Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-12 13:02 +0300
              Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-12 11:23 +0100
    Re: printf format specifier changes <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2015-07-07 11:50 -0700
      Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 12:14 -0700
    Re: printf format specifier changes Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-07-07 21:52 -0500
      Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-07 20:42 -0700
        Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-09 11:12 +0300
          Re: printf format specifier changes Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-09 05:03 -0700
            Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-09 13:10 -0500
          Re: printf format specifier changes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-09 08:58 -0400
          Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-09 08:10 -0700
            Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-12 12:58 +0300
              Re: printf format specifier changes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-12 12:57 -0400
              Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-12 11:14 -0700
                Re: printf format specifier changes gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-07-12 18:26 +0000
      Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-08 13:09 +0100
      Re: printf format specifier changes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-08 08:10 -0400
        Re: printf format specifier changes Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-07-08 08:12 -0500
          Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-08 08:38 -0700
          Re: printf format specifier changes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-08 12:00 -0400
            Re: printf format specifier changes Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-07-08 17:20 -0500
      Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-09 11:08 +0300
    Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-08 20:30 +0300
      Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-08 18:56 +0100
        Re: printf format specifier changes gordonb.lmwiv@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-07-09 11:09 -0500
          Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-09 14:05 -0500
      Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-08 11:27 -0700
        Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-08 15:07 -0500
  Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-06 23:39 -0500
    Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 10:19 +0100
      Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-07 07:57 -0500
        Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 14:15 +0100
          Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-07 14:46 +0100
          Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-07 09:37 -0500
        Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-09 11:24 +0300
          Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-09 09:55 -0500
            Re: printf format specifier changes <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2015-07-09 11:53 -0700
              Re: printf format specifier changes <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2015-07-09 13:48 -0700
              Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-09 17:01 -0500
    Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-07 10:59 +0100
      Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-07 07:48 -0500
        Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-07 14:30 +0100
          Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-07 10:05 -0500
            Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-07 23:16 +0100
              Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-07 20:29 -0500
              Re: printf format specifier changes Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-08 00:43 -0700
              Re: printf format specifier changes Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-09 02:29 -0500
                Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-09 10:34 +0100
                Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-09 09:35 -0500
          Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-07 08:37 -0700
            Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 08:45 -0700
          Re: printf format specifier changes <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2015-07-07 12:12 -0700
  Re: printf format specifier changes pooja deshpande <namitadeshpande25@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 09:29 -0700
    Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 09:34 -0700
      Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 09:59 -0700
        Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-09 22:33 +0100
          Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-09 15:17 -0700
            Re: printf format specifier changes glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 00:30 +0000
              Re: printf format specifier changes Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-07-10 09:17 +0800
      Re: printf format specifier changes David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 10:02 -0700
        Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 10:19 -0700
      Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-09 21:50 +0100
        Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-09 15:05 -0700
          Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 15:09 -0700
          Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-10 00:28 +0100
            Re: printf format specifier changes raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-13 20:39 +0000
        Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 15:07 -0700
          Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-09 23:16 +0100
            Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 15:25 -0700

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