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Re: printf format specifier changes

From Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: printf format specifier changes
Date 2015-07-07 08:37 -0700
Organization None to speak of
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ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>>AFAIK, '*' isn't supported by MSVC.
>>Unlikely, but I don't think I've ever used MSVC.
>
> There is something about C implementations that I
> learned relatively recently.
>
> I used to think that a Windows C compiler had its C library.
> But no, they (MinGW/gcc) seem to take pride in using the
> C library of the operating system!

MinGW is a C implementation that uses gcc as the compiler component and
Microsoft's C library as the library component.  I'm not aware that the
providers of MinGW "take pride" in this.  I think it just happens to be
a lot easier to use an existing runtime library than to write your own.

> On Windows, this seems to be
>
> MSVCRT.DLL
>
> . So, when one would complain to MinGW that printf does not
> support formats such as »%zu«¹, they would respond: Don't
> complain to us, we are just passing this trough to the
> operating system!² They seem to assume that C programmers
> on Windows want it this way.³ But when I choose C, I 
> personally mean ISO/IEC 9899:2011, and this /has/ »%zu«¹.

The lack of support for "%zu" is clearly a problem, and is the
result of using a runtime library that only supports C90 (with some
Microsoft extensions).  The inconsistency between the compiler and
the library in the size of long double is IMHO a bigger problem
with MinGW.  If I recall correctly, gcc makes long double wider
than double, but the Microsoft runtime library makes them the same
size; as a result, printing a long double value using printf under
MinGW fails.

> Recently, there seems to be a Windows compiler called »TDM«
> (based on MinGW and gcc?) and compile-time flags like
> -D__USE_MINGW_ANSI_STDIO=1 and some changes that might help
> programmers to get better support for C features.

As the name implies, -D__USE_MINGW_ANSI_STDIO=1 is supported by MinGW,
not just by TDM.

>                                                   However,
> when something is advertised as a »C compiler«, I prefer
> it to behave as a C compiler by default and only need options
> to use the non-conformant operating-system library.

I agree -- but I don't know of *any* C implementation that's conforming
by default.

It shouldn't be difficult to write a wrapper that invokes
it with any necessary options.

> 1) Disclaimer: I am not sure whether I remember this
> specific example correctly.
>
> 2) Disclaimer: I made this up, the actual response might
> differ.
>
> 3) I.e., be able to compile code written for Microsoft®
> compilers to be compiled with as few changes as possible

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 09:04 -0700
  Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 17:50 +0100
    Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 11:34 -0700
      Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 19:47 +0100
        Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 19:53 +0100
          Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 11:57 -0700
      Re: printf format specifier changes "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 10:53 +0100
        Re: printf format specifier changes Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-06 04:21 -0700
    Re: printf format specifier changes Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-06 19:44 +0100
      Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 22:14 +0100
        Re: printf format specifier changes Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-06 22:43 -0500
        Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-06 23:01 -0700
          Re: printf format specifier changes glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-07 06:43 +0000
          Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-09 10:52 +0300
            Re: printf format specifier changes Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-09 09:26 +0100
              Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-12 12:56 +0300
                Re: printf format specifier changes Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-12 06:12 -0700
        Re: printf format specifier changes Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-07 10:22 +0200
          Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 10:10 +0100
      Re: printf format specifier changes Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-07-07 00:54 -0700
    Re: printf format specifier changes Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-07-07 15:08 +0100
      Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 16:12 +0100
        Re: printf format specifier changes raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-09 10:34 +0000
          Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-09 12:25 +0100
            Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-12 13:02 +0300
              Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-12 11:23 +0100
    Re: printf format specifier changes <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2015-07-07 11:50 -0700
      Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 12:14 -0700
    Re: printf format specifier changes Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-07-07 21:52 -0500
      Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-07 20:42 -0700
        Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-09 11:12 +0300
          Re: printf format specifier changes Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-09 05:03 -0700
            Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-09 13:10 -0500
          Re: printf format specifier changes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-09 08:58 -0400
          Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-09 08:10 -0700
            Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-12 12:58 +0300
              Re: printf format specifier changes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-12 12:57 -0400
              Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-12 11:14 -0700
                Re: printf format specifier changes gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-07-12 18:26 +0000
      Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-08 13:09 +0100
      Re: printf format specifier changes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-08 08:10 -0400
        Re: printf format specifier changes Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-07-08 08:12 -0500
          Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-08 08:38 -0700
          Re: printf format specifier changes James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-08 12:00 -0400
            Re: printf format specifier changes Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-07-08 17:20 -0500
      Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-09 11:08 +0300
    Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-08 20:30 +0300
      Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-08 18:56 +0100
        Re: printf format specifier changes gordonb.lmwiv@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-07-09 11:09 -0500
          Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-09 14:05 -0500
      Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-08 11:27 -0700
        Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-08 15:07 -0500
  Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-06 23:39 -0500
    Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 10:19 +0100
      Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-07 07:57 -0500
        Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 14:15 +0100
          Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-07 14:46 +0100
          Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-07 09:37 -0500
        Re: printf format specifier changes Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-09 11:24 +0300
          Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-09 09:55 -0500
            Re: printf format specifier changes <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2015-07-09 11:53 -0700
              Re: printf format specifier changes <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2015-07-09 13:48 -0700
              Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-09 17:01 -0500
    Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-07 10:59 +0100
      Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-07 07:48 -0500
        Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-07 14:30 +0100
          Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-07 10:05 -0500
            Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-07 23:16 +0100
              Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-07 20:29 -0500
              Re: printf format specifier changes Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-08 00:43 -0700
              Re: printf format specifier changes Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-09 02:29 -0500
                Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-09 10:34 +0100
                Re: printf format specifier changes BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-09 09:35 -0500
          Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-07 08:37 -0700
            Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 08:45 -0700
          Re: printf format specifier changes <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2015-07-07 12:12 -0700
  Re: printf format specifier changes pooja deshpande <namitadeshpande25@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 09:29 -0700
    Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 09:34 -0700
      Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 09:59 -0700
        Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-09 22:33 +0100
          Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-09 15:17 -0700
            Re: printf format specifier changes glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 00:30 +0000
              Re: printf format specifier changes Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-07-10 09:17 +0800
      Re: printf format specifier changes David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 10:02 -0700
        Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 10:19 -0700
      Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-09 21:50 +0100
        Re: printf format specifier changes Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-09 15:05 -0700
          Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 15:09 -0700
          Re: printf format specifier changes Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-10 00:28 +0100
            Re: printf format specifier changes raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-13 20:39 +0000
        Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 15:07 -0700
          Re: printf format specifier changes Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-09 23:16 +0100
            Re: printf format specifier changes "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 15:25 -0700

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