Re: how cast works?

From	Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: how cast works?
Date	2024-08-07 13:26 -0700
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Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> writes:
> On 2024-08-07, Thiago Adams wrote:
>> How cast works?
>> Does it changes the memory?
>> For instance, from "unsigned int" to "signed char".
>> Is it just like discarding bytes or something else?
>> [...]
>
> I don't know what happens when you're changing datatype lengths, but if
> they're the same length, it's just telling the compiler what the
> variable should be treated as (e.g. [8-bit] int to char)

Not necessarily.  For example, for an implementation that uses sign and
magnitude or ones'-complement, converting a 32-bit signed value to a
32-bit unsigned type has a well defined result whose representation (bit
pattern) does not match the representation of the argument if it's
negative.

And of course the source and target types don't have to be the same
size.  For integers, the conversion is defined in terms of values; it
might be implemented using truncation, zero-extension, sign-extension,
or something else.

C23, not yet published, requires two's complement but still allows for
padding bits.

>> I also would like to understand better signed and unsigned.
>> There is no such think as "signed" or "unsigned" register, right?
>
> "Signed" just means the first bit indicates negative.

It's more complicated than that.

[...]

>> How about floating point?
>
> Floating point is a huge mess, and has a few variations for encoding;
> though I think most C implementations use the one from the IEEE on 1985
> (uh, IEEE754, I think?)

Yes, but floating-point conversions (between different floating-point
types or between floating-point and integer) are defined in terms of
values.  (double)1 == 1.0, regardless of how that 1.0 is represented.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-07 08:28 -0300
  Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-07 08:33 -0300
    Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-07 13:13 -0700
    Re: how cast works? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-11 17:43 -0700
      Re: how cast works? Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-12 11:51 +0100
        Challenge/exercise problem - signum() function Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-12 08:17 -0700
          Re: Challenge/exercise problem - signum() function Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-08-12 16:07 +0000
            Re: Challenge/exercise problem - signum() function Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-12 09:57 -0700
  Re: how cast works? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2024-08-07 20:00 +0000
    Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-07 13:26 -0700
    Re: how cast works? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 23:00 +0000
    Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 08:14 -0300
      Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-08 14:23 +0100
        Re: how cast works? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-08 19:32 +0300
          Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 14:11 -0300
          Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-08 18:29 +0100
            Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 14:50 -0300
              Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 14:57 -0300
              Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-08 19:01 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 15:13 -0300
              Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 12:29 -0700
            Re: how cast works? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-08 19:58 +0200
              Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-08 20:09 +0100
                Re: how cast works? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-09 00:32 +0200
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 16:14 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 02:47 +0000
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 22:55 -0700
                Re: how cast works? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-09 02:08 -0400
                Re: how cast works? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-09 18:16 +0200
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 12:18 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-11 17:07 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-11 20:14 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-09 01:56 +0100
                Re: how cast works? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-09 19:08 +0200
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-10 11:03 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 02:45 +0000
      Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 12:42 -0700
        Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 17:34 -0300
          Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-08 22:41 +0100
            Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 16:17 -0700
              Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-09 11:04 +0100
                Re: how cast works? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-09 19:12 +0200
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-12 15:36 +0100
                Re: how cast works? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-09 13:57 -0400
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-09 21:59 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 14:47 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-10 00:32 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 17:12 -0700
                Re: how cast works? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-09 18:29 -0400
                Re: how cast works? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-13 11:18 +0200
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-13 11:34 +0100
                Re: how cast works? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-13 07:51 -0400
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-13 14:01 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-13 12:46 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-13 21:51 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-13 16:46 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-14 00:56 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-18 03:37 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 14:29 -0700
                Re: how cast works? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-09 18:35 -0400
                Re: how cast works? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-09 21:30 +0000
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 14:57 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-09 23:14 +0000
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 16:58 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-10 00:06 +0000
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 17:27 -0700
                Re: how cast works? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-09 20:31 -0400
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-10 01:11 +0100
                Re: how cast works? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-13 11:23 +0200
                Re: how cast works? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-11 17:32 -0700
                Re: how cast works? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-09 18:35 -0400
                Re: how cast works? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-11 17:27 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 12:23 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-09 21:31 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 13:49 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-09 22:01 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-12 00:33 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-12 12:21 +0100
              Re: how cast works? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-11 17:46 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-12 02:00 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-11 20:23 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-11 20:37 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-11 21:33 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-12 16:57 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-12 10:04 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-12 13:35 -0700
            Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 07:57 -0300
              Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-09 16:25 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 12:06 -0700
              Re: how cast works? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-09 19:20 +0200
                Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 15:54 -0300
                Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 16:05 -0300
                Re: how cast works? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-09 21:43 +0200
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 13:28 -0700
                Re: how cast works? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-09 22:01 +0200
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-10 11:17 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-10 10:15 -0300
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-10 17:14 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-10 20:01 -0300
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-10 17:10 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-11 09:23 -0300
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-11 13:30 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-11 14:16 -0300
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-11 13:38 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-12 12:24 +0100
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 13:26 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 18:01 -0300
                Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 14:53 -0700
              Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 12:03 -0700
                Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 16:22 -0300
          Re: how cast works? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-09 00:36 +0200
    Re: how cast works? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2024-08-08 14:08 +0000
    Re: how cast works? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-09 02:42 +0000
  Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-07 13:08 -0700
    Re: how cast works? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 08:35 -0300
      Re: how cast works? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-08 12:39 -0700
      Re: how cast works? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-08-08 18:40 -0400
        Re: how cast works? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-08-11 17:15 -0700
    Is there an audio book version (Was: how cast works?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-08-08 16:19 +0000
  Re: how cast works? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-07 23:03 +0000

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