Re: how cast works?

From	Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: how cast works?
Date	2024-08-09 17:27 -0700
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Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> writes:
> On 2024-08-09, Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> writes:
>>> On 2024-08-09, Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> writes:
>>>> [...]
>>>>> It almost makes sense to speak of "implicit cast" (i.e. coercion) in C,
>>>>> because of what happens implicitly being so unsafe.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree, because that's not what "cast" means.
>>>
>>> "cast" means to (try to) project a value into another type.
>>
>> *Looks around* sorry, are we still in comp.lang.c?
>>
>> "Cast" has a number of meanings in contexts outside C, applicable to
>> dice, eyes, fishing lines, ballots, magic spells, actors, liquid metal,
>> and broken limbs, among other things.  In C, it means what the standard
>> says it means, even if some people misuse it to refer to implicit
>> conversions.
>>
>>> In C though, the nuance is something like "conversion that is mediated
>>> by the presence of the cast notation", where "mediated" includes the
>>> possibility that the cast notation has no effect at all
>>> (e.g. 2 + (int) 3).
>>
>> I hadn't noticed before that the standard does have a formal definition
>> of the term "cast", as well as "explicit conversion" and "implicit
>> conversion".
>
> Based on surveying all you quoted, I basically nailed it above.

I honestly don't know what you mean by that.  Feel free to explain if
you wish.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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