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Re: So You Think You Can Const?

From Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: So You Think You Can Const?
Date 2025-01-12 18:26 -0800
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Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

> All the standard really says about "const" is that directly modifying
> a const-qualified object is a constraint violation, and indirectly
> modifying it has undefined behavior. [...]

This description isn't exactly right.  The constraint violation is
for trying to modify an object through an lvalue that is not
modifiable, whether or not the object being referenced is const
qualified.  There is undefined behavior for trying to modify a const
object, but only for objects _defined_ with a const-qualified type.
So the rule doesn't apply to any object that resides in allocated
memory, because those objects are not named in any declaration, and
thus not defined with a const-qualified type.

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        Re: So You Think You Can Const? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-01-08 17:05 +0100
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                Re: So You Think You Can Const? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-01-15 09:29 +0100
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                Re: So You Think You Can Const? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-14 14:05 -0800
                Re: So You Think You Can Const? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-14 14:29 -0800
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                Re: So You Think You Can Const? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-01-15 02:51 +0100
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                Re: So You Think You Can Const? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-01-15 04:30 +0100
                Re: So You Think You Can Const? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-01-14 12:46 -0500
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                Re: So You Think You Can Const? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-01-15 20:16 +0000
                Re: So You Think You Can Const? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-01-15 13:47 +0100
                Re: So You Think You Can Const? Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-01-15 20:03 +0000
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                Re: So You Think You Can Const? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-01-15 14:01 +0100
                Re: So You Think You Can Const? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-01-15 14:06 +0100
                Re: So You Think You Can Const? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-01-15 14:22 +0100
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                Re: So You Think You Can Const? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-01-15 14:11 +0100
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              Re: So You Think You Can Const? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-01-15 14:17 +0100
                Re: So You Think You Can Const? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 13:51 -0800
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            Re: So You Think You Can Const? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-01-09 08:12 +0100
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