Re: non-mainstream web (browsers)

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From	not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Subject	Re: non-mainstream web (browsers)
Newsgroups	comp.infosystems.www.misc
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Date	2025-08-13 10:21 +1000
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Doc O'Leary , <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> wrote:
> For your reference, records indicate that 
> Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> wrote:
>> >>>>> On 2025-08-09, Doc O'Leary wrote:
>>  > Well, by that analogy, what do you think would happen if you tried
>>  > to take a Ford Model T on to the Autobahn?
>> 
>>       Either I do not understand your point, or you've misunderstood
>>       the one I've tried to make.  The thing is: for a variety of
>>       reasons, whether they want it or not, different people live
>>       different lives.
> 
> I'm contending that the problem is not that there are different cultures, 
> but that there are inevitable culture clashes.  It just doesn't make much 
> sense to gripe about Lynx or any other browser not working well with the 
> modern web; it's not the obligation of the web to "live the life" of Lynx.

Of course nobody's obliged. Equally nobody's obliged to live the
life of other browsers, hence the resurgence in Gopher use by
people fed up with modern Web design. Gopher works in Lynx but not
in Chrome or Firefox. But isn't it better to appeal to both crowds
by writing HTML that is usable in all the browsers your audience
chooses to use?

>>       More importantly, am /I/ part of your target audience?
> 
> I think that's a false premise.  Why should I be trying to limit my 
> audience to some "target" subset?  If I have tabular data, for example, I 
> want as many people as possible to use it however they wish.  That 
> generally does *not* mean crapping it up with HTML formatting and calling 
> it good.

Regardless of whether you're "crapping up" the data in HTML or I
guess using other technologies like JS to format it client-side,
the user isn't going to see a way to access that raw data unless
you show a link to download it separately. Otherwise the data is
getting crapped up either server-side or client-side, at least
from a user's point of view. As a user who avoids running random
JS (even when I'm using browsers that support it), I obviously
prefer the server-generated crap.

Even if you want all the functionality of a website to be exposed
as a public API, you can add a method in API requests to
enable/disable the HTML rendering. Catering to Lynx users doesn't
shrink your audience, it offers everyone more options!

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non-mainstream web (browsers) Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-08-09 14:05 +0000
  Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-09 19:53 +0000
    Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-08-10 08:15 +0000
      Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-11 00:47 +0000
        Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-08-15 15:55 +0000
      Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-11 23:00 +0000
        Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-08-13 10:21 +1000
          Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-13 19:18 +0000
        [OT] appreciating things old and old-fashioned Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-08-14 12:55 +0000
          Re: [OT] appreciating things old and old-fashioned Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-15 16:42 +0000
            Re: [OT] appreciating things old and old-fashioned Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-08-15 21:25 +0000
              Re: [OT] appreciating things old and old-fashioned Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-17 02:07 +0000
                Re: [OT] appreciating things old and old-fashioned Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-08-17 22:47 +0000
                Re: [OT] appreciating things old and old-fashioned Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-19 21:02 +0000
                Re: [OT] appreciating things old and old-fashioned Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-08-22 18:39 +0000
                I complain! Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-08-17 22:55 +0000
        non-mainstream web Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-08-15 15:05 +0000
          Re: non-mainstream web Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-16 21:42 +0000
            Re: non-mainstream web Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-17 07:12 +0000
            (non-)mainstream web and its costs Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-09-13 19:00 +0000
            Re: non-mainstream web Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-09-13 19:17 +0000
        non-mainstream web browsers Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-08-15 15:55 +0000
          Re: non-mainstream web browsers Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-16 22:46 +0000
            Re: non-mainstream web browsers Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-09-13 19:13 +0000
              Re: non-mainstream web browsers Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-13 23:02 +0000
    Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-11 08:53 -0700
      Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-11 21:51 +0000
        Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-11 14:57 -0700
          Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-13 18:43 +0000
            Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 12:14 -0700
              Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2025-08-13 12:48 -0700
              Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-15 15:14 +0000
                Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 09:03 -0700
                Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-16 23:36 +0000
                Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-17 07:09 +0000
                Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-18 10:45 -0700
                Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-18 23:25 +0000
                Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-19 08:14 -0700
                Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-19 21:58 +0000
                Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-20 00:39 +0000
                Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2025-08-25 03:24 +0000
                Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) "B. Pym" <Nobody447095@here-nor-there.org> - 2025-08-24 14:42 +0000
                Re: non-mainstream web (browsers) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2025-08-24 19:41 +0200

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