Re: The different groups and segments of object files

From	gah4@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups	comp.compilers
Subject	Re: The different groups and segments of object files
Date	2020-07-02 00:36 -0700
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On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-7, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:

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> The 16/32 bit address size prefix inverts the default address size, i.e.
> allows to use 32 bit addresses and offset registers with 16 bit code.

> I used 32 bit offsets in 16 bit code with the Borland compilers,
> disassembled the generated machine code. I never used the HUGE model.

> DoDi
> [Oh, running on a 386, sure, that would have worked. -John]

I suppose that works in real mode, but not in protected mode.

Well, I think the thing that makes OS/2 2.0 and up unusual is that
they know about both 16 bit segment descriptors and 32 bit descriptors.
That is, can run both 16 bit protected mode code and 32 bit protected
mode code.

Using both in the same program would be a little strange, though.

In any case, Watcom has a separate set of compilers for 16 bit
and 32 bit code generation. Some can be cross compilers, run on
other systems than the code they generate.

I had forgotten until I just looked it up, how the differences work.
Both use 64 bit descriptors, with origin, length, and some other bits.
For 16 bit, the length is 16 bit, with granularity of one byte.

In 286 days, I found this very useful for tracking down subscript
bounds errors by allocating a segment of the exact length.

The length field is 20 bits, but 32 bit segments have a 4K byte
granularity for length so they can describe 4GB segments.

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    Re: The different groups and segments of object files gah4@u.washington.edu - 2020-06-21 01:50 -0700
    Re: The different groups and segments of object files Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2020-06-25 22:41 +0800
    Re: The different groups and segments of object files Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@netscape.net> - 2020-06-25 22:40 +0200
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        Re: The different groups and segments of object files gah4@u.washington.edu - 2020-07-02 00:36 -0700
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      Re: The different groups and segments of object files Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@netscape.net> - 2020-06-25 22:52 +0200

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