Re: Architecture / Instruction Set / Language co-design.

From	Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Newsgroups	comp.arch
Subject	Re: Architecture / Instruction Set / Language co-design.
Date	2011-07-17 12:11 -0400
Organization	Wheeler&Wheeler
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mac <acolvin@efunct.com> writes:
> Marketing it that way didn't make it so. I can't find my copy of Organick's
> book, but I remember at the time that this seemed bogus.
>
> The 432 had hardware object protection of the kind that might be useful for
> machine language and C,  but should have been unnecessary for Ada's strong
> typing.
>
> It's true that the 432 had support for garbage collection, bug it wasn't
> clear that Ada requirdd this.
>
> The 432 also promoted the idea of "the Silicon Operating System". Since
> OS's are expensive and unreliable, we'd be better off if they were
> implemented in hardware. I heard that elements of the design wound up in
> the 286 et seq.

432 had some similarities to mainframe (failed) Future System effort in
the early 70s ... but mostly microcode rather than silicon. past posts
mentioning FS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

432 group gave presentation at acm sigops (asilomar, 79? or 81?). one of the
big problems was that there was large amount of complex code directly in
silicon ... which had tendency to have bugs ... and it was very
expensive to correct.

i still have some old 432 reference manuals

misc. past posts mentioning 432
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#61 TF-1
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#57 iAPX-432 (was: 36 to 32 bit transition
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000d.html#62 iAPX-432 (was: 36 to 32 bit transition
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000e.html#6 Ridiculous
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#48 Famous Machines and Software that didn't
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001.html#54 FBA History Question (was: RE: What's the meaning of track overfl ow?)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001g.html#36 What was object oriented in iAPX432?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001k.html#2 Minimalist design (was Re: Parity - why even or odd)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#27 iAPX432 today?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#46 IBM Mainframe at home
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#19 Computer Architectures
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002o.html#5 Anyone here ever use the iAPX432 ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#11 computers and alcohol
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003.html#5 vax6k.openecs.org rebirth
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003.html#6 vax6k.openecs.org rebirth
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003c.html#17 diffence between itanium and alpha
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003e.html#54 Reviving Multics
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003e.html#55 Reviving Multics
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003e.html#56 Reviving Multics
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#23 Intel iAPX 432
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#24 Intel iAPX 432
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003m.html#47 Intel 860 and 960, was iAPX 432
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003n.html#45 hung/zombie users ... long boring, wandering story
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#12 real multi-tasking, multi-programming
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#52 Infiniband - practicalities for small clusters
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#60 Will multicore CPUs have identical cores?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#64 Will multicore CPUs have identical cores?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#73 Athlon cache question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#64 Misuse of word "microcode"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005k.html#46 Performance and Capacity Planning
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005o.html#35 Implementing schedulers in processor????
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#31 Intel strikes back with a parallel x86 design
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#47 IBM 610 workstation computer
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#42 Why is zSeries so CPU poor?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006n.html#44 Any resources on VLIW?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#15 "25th Anniversary of the Personal Computer"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#7 32 or even 64 registers for x86-64?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#61 ISA Support for Multithreading
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007r.html#32 Is the media letting banks off the hook on payment card security
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007s.html#36 Oracle Introduces Oracle VM As It Leaps Into Virtualization
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008c.html#78 CPU time differences for the same job
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008d.html#54 Throwaway cores
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#32 CPU time differences for the same job
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008h.html#35 Two views of Microkernels (Re: Kernels
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#22 CLIs and GUIs
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009d.html#52 Lack of bit field instructions in x86 instruction set because of  patents ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009i.html#32 Why are z/OS people reluctant to use z/OS UNIX?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#13 Microprocessors with Definable MIcrocode
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#18 Microprocessors with Definable MIcrocode
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#46 U.S. begins inquiry of IBM in mainframe market
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#74 Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#1 IA64
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010g.html#45 IA64
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#8 Far and near pointers on the 80286 and later
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010h.html#40 Faster image rotation
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#22 Personal use z/OS machines was Re: Multiprise 3k for personal Use?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011.html#28 Personal histories and IBM computing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#7 RISCversus  CISC
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011c.html#91 If IBM Hadn't Bet the Company

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