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Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery

From Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups comp.arch
Subject Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery
Date 2026-01-22 03:18 -0800
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Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> writes:

> MitchAlsup wrote:
>
>> BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>>> Just randomly thinking again about some things I noticed with audio at
>>> low sample rates.
>>>
>>> For baseline, can note, basic sample rates:
>>>     44100:  Standard, sounds good, but bulky
>>
>> No it does not sound "good" on a system that accurately reproduces
>> 22KHz; like systems with electrostatic speakers covering the high
>> end of the audio spectrum.
>>
>> Might sound "good" to someone who does not know what it is supposed
>> to actually sound like, though.
>
> My ears are not good enough to notice the difference between CD
> quality, AAC/high sample rate MP3/ogg vorbis/etc, but according to my
> savant (?) cousin who could listen to a 16 min piece of music once and
> then write down the score for all the instruments, none of them sound
> like live, but they are close enough that he can listen and internally
> translate to what it would have sounded like in a concert.

Anyone with ordinary hearing can tell the difference between
CD-quality audio and a high-quality analog audio path.  Like
what Mitch says, it's all about the phase relationships of
high frequencies.  Most people have just never had the
opportunity to listen to high-quality audio (especially
including speakers, but sometimes also other components),
and that fools them into thinking substandard digital
audio (especially CDs, but also others) is okay.  To do
a meaningful test needs better equipment than most people
have listened to.

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Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 05:28 -0500
  Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-06 16:21 +0000
    Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 13:54 -0500
      Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 13:18 -0700
        Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 15:42 -0500
          Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 14:37 -0700
    Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-09-07 12:26 +0200
      Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-07 14:59 -0500
        Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-07 21:13 +0000
          Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-07 18:58 -0500
            Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> - 2025-09-07 21:16 -0500
              Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-07 22:55 -0500
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> - 2025-09-08 06:49 -0500
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-08 23:28 -0500
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> - 2025-09-09 07:06 -0500
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-09-09 18:47 +0300
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-09 20:27 -0500
      Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-07 21:12 +0000
        Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-09-08 10:59 +0200
          Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-08 15:10 -0500
            Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-08 21:10 +0000
              Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-08 18:57 -0500
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-08 21:49 -0500
            Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-09-09 15:06 +0200
              Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-09 14:13 -0500
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-09 20:55 +0000
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-09 14:15 -0700
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-09-09 14:17 -0700
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-09-09 23:23 +0200
          Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2025-09-08 17:57 -0400
            Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-08 23:51 +0000
            Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-09-09 15:51 +0200
              Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2025-09-12 13:01 -0400
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> - 2025-09-12 12:23 -0500
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-09-12 20:32 +0200
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> - 2025-09-14 07:43 -0400
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-09-14 15:08 +0200
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-12 18:58 +0000
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-12 14:30 -0500
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> - 2025-09-12 14:46 -0500
      Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-01-22 03:18 -0800
    Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-11 01:35 +0000
      Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-09-11 15:06 +0000
        Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-09-11 15:59 +0000
          Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-19 02:10 +0000
        Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-11 12:56 -0500
  Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> - 2025-09-06 11:59 -0500
    Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery "Brian G. Lucas" <bagel99@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 12:31 -0500
  Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-09-06 20:52 +0300
    Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-06 14:19 -0500
      Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-09-11 01:33 +0000
        Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-09-11 02:05 -0500
    Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-01-22 03:31 -0800
      Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-01-22 15:21 -0600
        Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-01-23 00:13 +0000
          Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> - 2026-01-22 18:36 -0600
            Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery MitchAlsup <user5857@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-01-23 02:00 +0000
              Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> - 2026-01-22 20:20 -0600
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 02:25 -0600
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-01-23 11:43 +0200
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 05:27 -0600
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-23 15:49 +0000
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-01-23 17:37 +0100
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2026-01-23 18:56 +0200
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-01-23 18:14 +0100
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-02-14 20:44 -0800
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-02-15 02:11 -0600
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> - 2026-01-23 11:07 -0600
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 14:52 -0600
              Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-01-23 15:36 +0000
              Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2026-01-23 15:35 -0800
            Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-02-14 20:57 -0800
              Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> - 2026-02-15 09:09 -0600
                Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-03-18 00:40 -0700
          Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-22 17:04 -0800
            Re: Random/OT: Low sample rate audio weirdness/mystery BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2026-01-23 05:13 -0600

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