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| Started by | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| First post | 2017-03-16 15:12 +1100 |
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OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-16 15:12 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-16 16:39 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Chris <c@b.a> - 2017-03-17 14:33 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-17 20:29 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-17 21:20 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 04:12 -0700
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-17 23:12 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-19 22:00 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-20 08:18 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-20 08:53 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-20 20:47 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-03-21 16:47 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-27 19:41 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-03-28 00:02 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 03:30 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-28 15:43 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 17:24 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-28 22:09 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-28 08:27 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 11:06 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-28 11:21 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 13:28 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-28 15:22 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 17:19 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Lucifer Morningstar <Barry@saymyname.com> - 2017-03-28 17:28 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-29 16:44 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 20:16 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> - 2017-03-28 22:06 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 05:20 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-29 06:06 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 09:34 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-29 22:00 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-28 22:37 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 05:21 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-29 06:07 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 09:35 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-28 19:21 +0000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 09:37 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-29 04:43 +0000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 19:21 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-29 21:52 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 03:14 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 10:53 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-29 21:53 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2017-03-29 22:48 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 03:17 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-31 20:01 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 05:03 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-04-01 20:01 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 03:01 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-04-02 14:55 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 16:06 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-03-28 14:53 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 16:44 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-03-28 18:42 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 00:07 -0700
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 00:51 -0700
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-16 19:33 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2017-03-16 19:40 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-16 19:55 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Adrian Jansen <adrian@qq.vv.net> - 2017-03-17 07:38 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-16 22:12 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2017-03-16 10:04 +0000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 15:28 -0700
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-17 10:39 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 16:54 -0700
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-17 11:06 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 17:24 -0700
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-17 12:58 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-16 22:24 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-17 14:45 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-16 22:42 +1100
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2017-03-16 22:17 +1000
Re: OT: Snowy Hydro Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2017-03-16 22:39 +1100
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| From | keithr0 <user@account.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-29 21:52 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ek1lgeF9hk5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33093 |
On 3/29/2017 6:21 PM, Rod Speed wrote: > > > "Jasen Betts" <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in message > news:obfe1n$49l$2@gonzo.alcatraz... >> On 2017-03-28, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Jasen Betts" <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in message >>> news:obed3i$v3r$2@gonzo.alcatraz... >>>> On 2017-03-28, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:ejv3nnFodakU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On 3/28/2017 10:06 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep >>>>>>>>> Hazelwood going, because its right next to brown coal that is >>>>>>>>> useless >>>>>>>>> for anything else, and if fools like Trevor don't like that, they >>>>>>>>> should go and fuck themselves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brown coal is the most polluting energy source presently in use >>>>>>>> anywhere. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Who cares ? What matters is that the brown coal is useless for >>>>>>> anything but power generation and so should be used for that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hazelwood must be shut down. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In any case, there is nothing the government can do about it, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wrong, as always. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> since it was sold and shut down by a private company. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But if the govt chose to, it is free to buy it back from them >>>>>>> or to hand them the money to allow it to operate again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Australia has the capacity to generate huge amounts of clean >>>>>>>> energy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stupid way to generate electricity for all sorts of reasons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> THAT is what the government needs to be investing in. Not coal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are just plain wrong, as always. >>>>>> >>>>>> Much better to put the money in base load solar >>>>> >>>>> Bullshit. Its only there for less than half the day at most >>>>> and isnt even the time of day its needed most. >>> >>>> All that sun light falling on the desert is, >>>> as you put it, "only good for one thing". >>> >>> That’s just plain wrong. Its good for a lot more than just electricity >>> generation. > >> a: such as what, hot sand is not useful for much. > > We don’t actually have any 'hot sand' deserts here. > > And the 'sun falling on' can obviously be used > for more than just electricity generation. > >> b: same for that coal - eg preventing a hole in the ground > > Even sillier than you usually manage. > >>>> base-load solar includes storage so that it >>>> can put power on the grid durng the night. > >>> Pity about the stupid cost of doing it like that. > >> same for that coal, but moreso. > > Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage. > > That steaming turd of a solars system that fuckwit pom > waved around has a cost of electricity of 15cA/KWH > > Hazelwood produced electricity for nothing even remotely like that cost. Interesting speedrithmetic The 260-MW Copiapó project in Chile, with 14 hours of storage, plans to bid its power at under $70/MWh, without subsidies ie USD0.07/Kwh = aud0.091/Kwh Face it speed, you're irrelevant these day, you're still stuck in 1980s thinking.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-30 03:14 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ek24s5Fcm4dU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33095 |
"keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message news:ek1lgeF9hk5U1@mid.individual.net... > On 3/29/2017 6:21 PM, Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "Jasen Betts" <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in message >> news:obfe1n$49l$2@gonzo.alcatraz... >>> On 2017-03-28, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "Jasen Betts" <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote in message >>>> news:obed3i$v3r$2@gonzo.alcatraz... >>>>> On 2017-03-28, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>> news:ejv3nnFodakU1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>> On 3/28/2017 10:06 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>>>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep >>>>>>>>>> Hazelwood going, because its right next to brown coal that is >>>>>>>>>> useless >>>>>>>>>> for anything else, and if fools like Trevor don't like that, they >>>>>>>>>> should go and fuck themselves. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Brown coal is the most polluting energy source presently in use >>>>>>>>> anywhere. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Who cares ? What matters is that the brown coal is useless for >>>>>>>> anything but power generation and so should be used for that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hazelwood must be shut down. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In any case, there is nothing the government can do about it, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wrong, as always. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> since it was sold and shut down by a private company. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But if the govt chose to, it is free to buy it back from them >>>>>>>> or to hand them the money to allow it to operate again. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Australia has the capacity to generate huge amounts of clean >>>>>>>>> energy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stupid way to generate electricity for all sorts of reasons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> THAT is what the government needs to be investing in. Not coal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are just plain wrong, as always. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Much better to put the money in base load solar >>>>>> >>>>>> Bullshit. Its only there for less than half the day at most >>>>>> and isnt even the time of day its needed most. >>>> >>>>> All that sun light falling on the desert is, >>>>> as you put it, "only good for one thing". >>>> >>>> That’s just plain wrong. Its good for a lot more than just electricity >>>> generation. >> >>> a: such as what, hot sand is not useful for much. >> >> We don’t actually have any 'hot sand' deserts here. >> >> And the 'sun falling on' can obviously be used >> for more than just electricity generation. >> >>> b: same for that coal - eg preventing a hole in the ground >> >> Even sillier than you usually manage. >> >>>>> base-load solar includes storage so that it >>>>> can put power on the grid durng the night. >> >>>> Pity about the stupid cost of doing it like that. >> >>> same for that coal, but moreso. >> >> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage. >> >> That steaming turd of a solars system that fuckwit pom >> waved around has a cost of electricity of 15cA/KWH >> >> Hazelwood produced electricity for nothing even remotely like that cost. > Interesting speedrithmetic We'll see... > The 260-MW Copiapó project in Chile, That aint the one you waved around. And 260MW is nothing even remotely what Hazelwood produces.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-29 10:53 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ek0bcrF1qm2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33081 |
"keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message news:ejv3nnFodakU1@mid.individual.net... > On 3/28/2017 10:06 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >> Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>> Rod Speed wrote >> >>>> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep >>>> Hazelwood going, because its right next to brown coal that is useless >>>> for anything else, and if fools like Trevor don't like that, they >>>> should go and fuck themselves. >> >>> Brown coal is the most polluting energy source presently in use >>> anywhere. >> >> Who cares ? What matters is that the brown coal is useless for >> anything but power generation and so should be used for that. >> >>> Hazelwood must be shut down. >> >> Even sillier than you usually manage. >> >>> In any case, there is nothing the government can do about it, >> >> Wrong, as always. >> >>> since it was sold and shut down by a private company. >> >> But if the govt chose to, it is free to buy it back from them >> or to hand them the money to allow it to operate again. >> >>> Australia has the capacity to generate huge amounts of clean energy. >> >> Stupid way to generate electricity for all sorts of reasons. >> >>> THAT is what the government needs to be investing in. Not coal. >> >> You are just plain wrong, as always. > > Much better to put the money in base load solar Nope. > http://www.powermag.com/crescent-dunes-solar-energy-project-tonopah-nevada-2/?pagenum=1 Pity about the stupid price of electricity from that, 15cA/KWH, no thanks. Cost more than keeping Hazelwood going, for only 60% of the capacity and a decent hail storm would wipe it out completely. Pity about the transmission line required to it. Already there with Hazelwood. Completely fucking barking mad.
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| From | keithr0 <user@account.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-29 21:53 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ek1lidF9hk5U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33090 |
On 3/29/2017 9:53 AM, Rod Speed wrote: > > > "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message > news:ejv3nnFodakU1@mid.individual.net... >> On 3/28/2017 10:06 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>> Rod Speed wrote >>> >>>>> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep >>>>> Hazelwood going, because its right next to brown coal that is useless >>>>> for anything else, and if fools like Trevor don't like that, they >>>>> should go and fuck themselves. >>> >>>> Brown coal is the most polluting energy source presently in use >>>> anywhere. >>> >>> Who cares ? What matters is that the brown coal is useless for >>> anything but power generation and so should be used for that. >>> >>>> Hazelwood must be shut down. >>> >>> Even sillier than you usually manage. >>> >>>> In any case, there is nothing the government can do about it, >>> >>> Wrong, as always. >>> >>>> since it was sold and shut down by a private company. >>> >>> But if the govt chose to, it is free to buy it back from them >>> or to hand them the money to allow it to operate again. >>> >>>> Australia has the capacity to generate huge amounts of clean energy. >>> >>> Stupid way to generate electricity for all sorts of reasons. >>> >>>> THAT is what the government needs to be investing in. Not coal. >>> >>> You are just plain wrong, as always. >> >> Much better to put the money in base load solar > > Nope. > >> http://www.powermag.com/crescent-dunes-solar-energy-project-tonopah-nevada-2/?pagenum=1 >> > > Pity about the stupid price of electricity from that, 15cA/KWH, no thanks. No it ain't read the link properly and learn some basic arithmetic. > > Cost more than keeping Hazelwood going, for only 60% of the > capacity and a decent hail storm would wipe it out completely. > > Pity about the transmission line required to it. Already there with > Hazelwood. > > Completely fucking barking mad.
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| From | F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-29 22:48 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <58dbad15$0$39533$b1db1813$7968482@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #33090 |
Rod Speed wrote: > > > "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message > news:ejv3nnFodakU1@mid.individual.net... >> On 3/28/2017 10:06 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>> Rod Speed wrote >>> >>>>> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep >>>>> Hazelwood going, because its right next to brown coal that is useless >>>>> for anything else, and if fools like Trevor don't like that, they >>>>> should go and fuck themselves. >>> >>>> Brown coal is the most polluting energy source presently in use >>>> anywhere. >>> >>> Who cares ? What matters is that the brown coal is useless for >>> anything but power generation and so should be used for that. >>> >>>> Hazelwood must be shut down. >>> >>> Even sillier than you usually manage. >>> >>>> In any case, there is nothing the government can do about it, >>> >>> Wrong, as always. >>> >>>> since it was sold and shut down by a private company. >>> >>> But if the govt chose to, it is free to buy it back from them >>> or to hand them the money to allow it to operate again. >>> >>>> Australia has the capacity to generate huge amounts of clean energy. >>> >>> Stupid way to generate electricity for all sorts of reasons. >>> >>>> THAT is what the government needs to be investing in. Not coal. >>> >>> You are just plain wrong, as always. >> >> Much better to put the money in base load solar > > Nope. > >> http://www.powermag.com/crescent-dunes-solar-energy-project-tonopah-nevada-2/?pagenum=1 >> > > Pity about the stupid price of electricity from that, 15cA/KWH, no thanks. > > Cost more than keeping Hazelwood going, for only 60% of the > capacity and a decent hail storm would wipe it out completely. > > Pity about the transmission line required to it. Already there with > Hazelwood. > > Completely fucking barking mad. The owners must have thought it could be kept going, they asked the govt for $25 million to keep it going but were knocked back
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-30 03:17 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ek250tFcn6fU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33098 |
"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:58dbad15$0$39533$b1db1813$7968482@news.astraweb.com... > Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message >> news:ejv3nnFodakU1@mid.individual.net... >>> On 3/28/2017 10:06 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>> Rod Speed wrote >>>> >>>>>> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep >>>>>> Hazelwood going, because its right next to brown coal that is useless >>>>>> for anything else, and if fools like Trevor don't like that, they >>>>>> should go and fuck themselves. >>>> >>>>> Brown coal is the most polluting energy source presently in use >>>>> anywhere. >>>> >>>> Who cares ? What matters is that the brown coal is useless for >>>> anything but power generation and so should be used for that. >>>> >>>>> Hazelwood must be shut down. >>>> >>>> Even sillier than you usually manage. >>>> >>>>> In any case, there is nothing the government can do about it, >>>> >>>> Wrong, as always. >>>> >>>>> since it was sold and shut down by a private company. >>>> >>>> But if the govt chose to, it is free to buy it back from them >>>> or to hand them the money to allow it to operate again. >>>> >>>>> Australia has the capacity to generate huge amounts of clean energy. >>>> >>>> Stupid way to generate electricity for all sorts of reasons. >>>> >>>>> THAT is what the government needs to be investing in. Not coal. >>>> >>>> You are just plain wrong, as always. >>> >>> Much better to put the money in base load solar >> >> Nope. >> >>> http://www.powermag.com/crescent-dunes-solar-energy-project-tonopah-nevada-2/?pagenum=1 >>> >> >> Pity about the stupid price of electricity from that, 15cA/KWH, no >> thanks. >> >> Cost more than keeping Hazelwood going, for only 60% of the >> capacity and a decent hail storm would wipe it out completely. >> >> Pity about the transmission line required to it. Already there with >> Hazelwood. >> >> Completely fucking barking mad. > The owners must have thought it could be kept going, they asked the govt > for $25 million to keep it going but were knocked back And that is a tiny fraction of the cost of that terminal stupidity that that fuckwit pom waved around and would produce an electricity cost of nothing even remotely like what that fuckwit pom waved around.
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| From | keithr0 <user@account.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-31 20:01 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ek6nn1F9qr3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33100 |
On 3/30/2017 2:17 AM, Rod Speed wrote: > > > "F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:58dbad15$0$39533$b1db1813$7968482@news.astraweb.com... >> Rod Speed wrote: >>> >>> >>> "keithr0" <user@account.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:ejv3nnFodakU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> On 3/28/2017 10:06 AM, Rod Speed wrote: >>>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>>> Rod Speed wrote >>>>> >>>>>>> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep >>>>>>> Hazelwood going, because its right next to brown coal that is >>>>>>> useless >>>>>>> for anything else, and if fools like Trevor don't like that, they >>>>>>> should go and fuck themselves. >>>>> >>>>>> Brown coal is the most polluting energy source presently in use >>>>>> anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> Who cares ? What matters is that the brown coal is useless for >>>>> anything but power generation and so should be used for that. >>>>> >>>>>> Hazelwood must be shut down. >>>>> >>>>> Even sillier than you usually manage. >>>>> >>>>>> In any case, there is nothing the government can do about it, >>>>> >>>>> Wrong, as always. >>>>> >>>>>> since it was sold and shut down by a private company. >>>>> >>>>> But if the govt chose to, it is free to buy it back from them >>>>> or to hand them the money to allow it to operate again. >>>>> >>>>>> Australia has the capacity to generate huge amounts of clean energy. >>>>> >>>>> Stupid way to generate electricity for all sorts of reasons. >>>>> >>>>>> THAT is what the government needs to be investing in. Not coal. >>>>> >>>>> You are just plain wrong, as always. >>>> >>>> Much better to put the money in base load solar >>> >>> Nope. >>> >>>> http://www.powermag.com/crescent-dunes-solar-energy-project-tonopah-nevada-2/?pagenum=1 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Pity about the stupid price of electricity from that, 15cA/KWH, no >>> thanks. >>> >>> Cost more than keeping Hazelwood going, for only 60% of the >>> capacity and a decent hail storm would wipe it out completely. >>> >>> Pity about the transmission line required to it. Already there with >>> Hazelwood. >>> >>> Completely fucking barking mad. > >> The owners must have thought it could be kept going, they asked the >> govt for $25 million to keep it going but were knocked back > > And that is a tiny fraction of the cost of that terminal > stupidity that that fuckwit pom waved around and > would produce an electricity cost of nothing even > remotely like what that fuckwit pom waved around. Bog standard speed shit. The usual fossilised thinking from and irrelevant and boring old fart.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 05:03 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ek7jvsFfbo8U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33121 |
Some fuckwit pom desperately cowering behind keithr0 <user@account.invalid> spewed the usual desperately cowering pomshit.
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| From | keithr0 <user@account.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-04-01 20:01 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ek9c3uFpfb5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33123 |
On 4/1/2017 4:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote: > Some fuckwit pom desperately cowering behind > keithr0 <user@account.invalid> spewed the usual > desperately cowering pomshit. Bog standard speed shit. The usual fossilised thinking from and irrelevant and boring old fart.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 03:01 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <eka56fFudjiU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33131 |
Some fuckwit pom desperately cowering behind keithr0 <user@account.invalid> spewed the usual desperately cowering pomshit.
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| From | keithr0 <user@account.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 14:55 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ekbeimF7d6mU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33133 |
Some irrelevant old fart cowering behind the unlikely alias of "Rod speed" spewed up his usual irrelevant shit desperately trying to have the last word as usual.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-02 16:06 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ekbintF83ivU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33138 |
Some fuckwit pom that can't even manage its own lines, desperately cowering behind keithr0 <user@account.invalid> spewed the usual desperately cowering pomshit.
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| From | Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 14:53 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <94njdc9tv2397gggcn7k1e52ljog7447ld@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #33064 |
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: >IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to >keep Hazelwood going, because its right next to brown coal >that is useless for anything else, No doubt you think that the federal government should start making axes and other tools out of stone instead of wasting the stones that are just left lying on the ground. I suggest you spend your time worrying about all the wind that is not being used to make electricity and is useless for anything else.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 16:44 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ejubhjFjjpjU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33071 |
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever >> it takes to keep Hazelwood going, because its right >> next to brown coal that is useless for anything else, <reams of your shit flushed where it belongs>
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| From | Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> |
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| Date | 2017-03-28 18:42 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <obd3vg$es9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #33071 |
On 28/03/2017 2:53 PM, Gordon Levi wrote: > "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > >> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to >> keep Hazelwood going, because its right next to brown coal >> that is useless for anything else, > > No doubt you think that the federal government should start making > axes and other tools out of stone instead of wasting the stones that > are just left lying on the ground. I suggest you spend your time > worrying about all the wind that is not being used to make electricity > and is useless for anything else. > They have a surfeit of *wind* in Queensland just at the moment! ;-) -- Xeno
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| From | Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 00:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7822f04d-f48f-43d5-9d76-6d597b0c0d40@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #32999 |
Stupider than anyone Else > > "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour > expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian Government, > but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr Turnbull] said. > > I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. Maybe > he was misquoted. > ** It's not it not wrong - just a bit awkward. > That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so much > water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher power > output, it can do so for less time. > ** The high lakes in the Snowy scheme get filled up at night. With water from the lower ones. It's a huge "water battery". > > Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation only > during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. > ** It can do that, but more importantly it allows the storage of excess power in the grid at any time of day. > That wouldn't use much > of the water in the scheme of things, but I seriously question whether > the proposal is the cheapest solution. > ** Probably is, when you take into account the limited life of the thousand batteries and the electronic converters needed to turn DC into AC. ... Phil
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| From | Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 00:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3b9b6c6b-23e7-4ef0-979c-6e68ff0112b5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #33001 |
Phil Allison wrote: Typo correction: ** Probably is, when you take into account the limited life of the thousands of batteries and the electronic converters needed to turn DC into AC. ... Phil
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 19:33 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <eiv0ucFbnndU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33001 |
On 16/03/2017 6:07 PM, Phil Allison wrote: > Stupider than anyone Else > >> >> "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour >> expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian Government, >> but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr Turnbull] said. >> >> I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. Maybe >> he was misquoted. >> > ** It's not it not wrong - just a bit awkward. > > >> That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so much >> water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher power >> output, it can do so for less time. >> > > ** The high lakes in the Snowy scheme get filled up at night. > > With water from the lower ones. > > It's a huge "water battery". > >> >> Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation only >> during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. >> > > ** It can do that, but more importantly it allows the storage of excess power in the grid at any time of day. There isn't an excess of power, there's only an excess of capacity. During the day, the marginal excess capacity is gas generation. I doesn't make economic sense to use gas to pump water just so that that water can be used to displace gas generation on another day. At night, the marginal generation is sometimes coal based. While it does make sense to use coal during the night to pump water that can be used later to displace gas, it also substitutes a more polluting form of generation for a less polluting one. In any case, we're not short of generating capacity per se, we're short of peak generating capacity that's only required in extreme weather. All building additional hydro-generating capacity using pumped storage will achieve is to discourage investment in other capacity for use for a significant part of the day. It doesn't nothing to address the extreme peak capacity issue. > > >> That wouldn't use much >> of the water in the scheme of things, but I seriously question whether >> the proposal is the cheapest solution. >> > > ** Probably is, when you take into account the limited life of the thousand batteries and the electronic converters needed to turn DC into AC. > > > > ... Phil > > The cheapest solution to the problem we actually have is probably diesel. Sylvia.
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| From | Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 19:40 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <eiv1moFbsaiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33003 |
On 16/03/2017 7:33 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 16/03/2017 6:07 PM, Phil Allison wrote: >> Stupider than anyone Else >> >>> >>> "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour >>> expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian Government, >>> but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr Turnbull] said. >>> >>> I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. Maybe >>> he was misquoted. >>> >> ** It's not it not wrong - just a bit awkward. >> >> >>> That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so much >>> water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher power >>> output, it can do so for less time. >>> >> >> ** The high lakes in the Snowy scheme get filled up at night. >> >> With water from the lower ones. >> >> It's a huge "water battery". >> >>> >>> Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation only >>> during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. >>> >> >> ** It can do that, but more importantly it allows the storage of >> excess power in the grid at any time of day. > > There isn't an excess of power, there's only an excess of capacity. > During the day, the marginal excess capacity is gas generation. I > doesn't make economic sense to use gas to pump water just so that that > water can be used to displace gas generation on another day. > > At night, the marginal generation is sometimes coal based. While it does > make sense to use coal during the night to pump water that can be used > later to displace gas, it also substitutes a more polluting form of > generation for a less polluting one. > > In any case, we're not short of generating capacity per se, we're short > of peak generating capacity that's only required in extreme weather. All > building additional hydro-generating capacity using pumped storage will > achieve is to discourage investment in other capacity for use for a > significant part of the day. It doesn't nothing to address the extreme > peak capacity issue. > **Yeah, it does. It sucks up surplus energy from coal fired power stations and stores that energy by raising the level of water. Can it deal with the most extreme days? Nope. The extra couple of GWh will help though. Trouble is that you can bet Trumbull's idea is at least a decade away. We need a solution quicker than that. > The cheapest solution to the problem we actually have is probably diesel. **Nope. Not even close. Gas is much cheaper. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 19:55 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <eiv28gFbvi1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #33004 |
On 16/03/2017 7:40 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: > On 16/03/2017 7:33 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 16/03/2017 6:07 PM, Phil Allison wrote: >>> Stupider than anyone Else >>> >>>> >>>> "In one hour it could produce 20 times the 100 megawatts an hour >>>> expected from the battery proposed by the South Australian Government, >>>> but would deliver it constantly for almost a week," [Mr Turnbull] said. >>>> >>>> I thought he'd know better than to come out with such gibberish. Maybe >>>> he was misquoted. >>>> >>> ** It's not it not wrong - just a bit awkward. >>> >>> >>>> That aside, Snowy Hydro is energy limited, because there is only so >>>> much >>>> water (less in extended dry spells). If it produces a higher power >>>> output, it can do so for less time. >>>> >>> >>> ** The high lakes in the Snowy scheme get filled up at night. >>> >>> With water from the lower ones. >>> >>> It's a huge "water battery". >>> >>>> >>>> Maybe the government intends to use the extra power generation only >>>> during extreme demand to avert rolling blackouts. >>>> >>> >>> ** It can do that, but more importantly it allows the storage of >>> excess power in the grid at any time of day. >> >> There isn't an excess of power, there's only an excess of capacity. >> During the day, the marginal excess capacity is gas generation. I >> doesn't make economic sense to use gas to pump water just so that that >> water can be used to displace gas generation on another day. >> >> At night, the marginal generation is sometimes coal based. While it does >> make sense to use coal during the night to pump water that can be used >> later to displace gas, it also substitutes a more polluting form of >> generation for a less polluting one. >> >> In any case, we're not short of generating capacity per se, we're short >> of peak generating capacity that's only required in extreme weather. All >> building additional hydro-generating capacity using pumped storage will >> achieve is to discourage investment in other capacity for use for a >> significant part of the day. It doesn't nothing to address the extreme >> peak capacity issue. >> > > **Yeah, it does. It sucks up surplus energy from coal fired power > stations and stores that energy by raising the level of water. Can it > deal with the most extreme days? Nope. The extra couple of GWh will help > though. Trouble is that you can bet Trumbull's idea is at least a decade > away. We need a solution quicker than that. Having the potential energy in the water is one thing. Having the generating capacity to use it is another. They're proposing to build extra capacity, but if they use it at any time other than when extreme conditions are running us out of capacity, then they're displacing other capacity. Since they displace the capacity with the highest marginal cost, they're displacing gas generation. When potential investors see gas generation being displaced on a regular basis, they'll decide not to build any more gas generation. So all that's been achieved is to use coal fired generation instead of gas generation. > >> The cheapest solution to the problem we actually have is probably diesel. > >**Nope. Not even close. Gas is much cheaper. Gas is cheaper as a fuel, but diesel generators themselves are cheaper. Since they wouldn't be used much the cost of the generator is more significant than the cost of the fuel. Sylvia.
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