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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | aus.electronics |
| Subject | Re: OT: Snowy Hydro |
| Date | 2017-03-28 17:19 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <ejudj5Fjv2dU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote > Rod Speed wrote >> Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>> Rod Speed wrote >>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote >>>>> Rod Speed wrote >>>>>> IMO the federal govt should be spending whatever it takes to keep >>>>>> Hazelwood going, because its right next to brown coal that is useless >>>>>> for anything else, and if fools like Trevor don't like that, they >>>>>> should go and fuck themselves. >>>>> Brown coal is the most polluting energy source presently in use >>>>> anywhere. >>>> Who cares ? >>> Everyone on the planet with a functioning brain. >> Even sillier than you usually manage. > Nonetheless, a fact. Claiming its a fact doesn’t make it a fact. > Morons can't see a problem. Everyone else can. How odd that sweet fuck all are actually stupid enough to vote for the sort of shit you clowns want to see. > You, Barnarby, George Christensen and the others are morons. Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, fart. >>>> What matters is that the brown coal is useless for anything but power >>>> generation and so should be used for that. >>> Brown coal is an exceptionally poor type of coal, >> Its fine for power generation. > No, it is not. Corse it is. > It is VERY poor. Irrelevant when its no use for anything else. Even the stupid krauts managed to work that out. > Brown coal, as mined in Victoria releases around 8.4Mj/kg. Irrelevant when its no use for anything else. > Black coal is more like 35Mj/kg. Irrelevant when we can flog that to those who need to buy it. > Brown coal is a spectacularly poor choice of fuel. Wrong when we can have the generators right next to it and its no use for anything else. >>> which produces far more CO2 than almost any other kind of power >>> generation >> Irrelevant when we produce sweet fuck >> all of the world's CO2 production. > That old chestnut. Corse you never ever manage anything like that yourself, eh ? > Listen very carefully, moron: > EVERY SINGLE human on the planet will need to make adjustments to deal > with CO2 production. That includes every single Australian. You can repeat that mindless silly shit till the cows come home, it stays mindless silly shit. Those who already use just hydro obviously don’t. >> Even if we were actually stupid enough to shut down >> all fossil fuelled power generation entirely, the effect >> on the world temperate wouldn’t even be measurable >> given that China alone increases its CO2 production >> by more than we do entirely, ever single year. > If every nation shuts down fossil fuel power generators, Not going to happen, they aint that stupid, even if you clowns are. > the effect would be substantial. Irrelevant to what would happen if Haselwood wasn’t closed. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING MEASURABLE. > Since Australia has enormous reserves of renewable energy, then it makes > sense for us to make use of those reserves. Not when even if we closed all power generation entirely and banned all modes of transport entirely would produce no measurable effect on climate what so ever. >>> and, therefore, should not be used. >> Even sillier than you usually manage. >>> The bottom line is that the Hazelwood generator was shut down, because >>> it is non-viable (uneconomic). >> Only because we are stupid enough to penalise coal fired >> power generation and to require levels of pollution >> control that make them unviable economically. > Pollution is bad. Not when it blows away from where it is produced it aint. >> It was perfectly viable economically when >> it was built and that hasn’t changed now. > Not quite. Fraid so. > Hazelwood has reached the end of it's effective life-span. If it was economic in the first place, its even more economic to replace the subset of what was built to allow it to continue to be used now that the price they get for the electricity is much higher. > Like automobiles, power stations do not last forever. No one ever said they did. But if it was economic to build it in the first place, its even more economic to replace the subset of what was built to allow it to continue to be used now that the price they get for the electricity is much higher. >> And it would cost less than HALF of what >> the new snowy hydro changes will cost and >> will produce MUCH more power than that. > The Snowy hydro changes are just a desperate attempt by Trumbull to be > seen to do something, other than investing in real renewables. Even sillier than you usually manage. The Snowy system has always been about pumped storage, by far the best way to do something about the inevitable intermittency of what renewable power generation we have and to allow the coal fired power generation to work at maximum efficiency. >>>>> Hazelwood must be shut down. >>>> Even sillier than you usually manage. >>> So you say. >> So anyone with even half a clue knows. > It seems you don't. Easy to claim. >>>>> In any case, there is nothing the government can do about it, >>>> Wrong, as always. >>> I see. >> Nope, you never do. >>> And what, precisely, can the government do? >> I already told you, fuckwit. > No, you didn't. More of your lies, it was still there in the quoting until you carefully deleted it, you flagrantly dishonest fuckwit. Keep this shit up and your shit will be flushed where it belongs. >>> Cite the legal precedents in your answer. >> The govt is legally free to hand Engie what it would >> cost to continue to run Hazelwood and is legally free >> to make an offer for Hazelwood if it chooses to too. > Cite the legal precedents in your answer. Don’t need any, that has happened before. >>>>> since it was sold and shut down by a private company. >>>> But if the govt chose to, it is free to buy it back from them >>>> or to hand them the money to allow it to operate again. >>> You assume that the company wants to sell it. >> I assume nothing of the sort and the govt is free to nationalise >> it and pay compensation for doing that if it wants to anyway. > Except that no one in their right mind wants Hazelwood to continue. Irrelevant to what is possible. > Only pollution-loving, climate deniers like you think it should remain in > operation. Irrelevant to what is possible. >> And the govt is free to pay Engie to do what needs to be done to continue >> to run Hazelwood if it wants to too. >>> You assume that the government is willing to spend even more money to >>> make the plant viable. >> I assume nothing of the sort. It is obviously legally >> possible for the govt to do that if it chooses to. > And again, provided the government is prepared to pay. Irrelevant to what is possible. >>>>> Australia has the capacity to generate huge amounts of clean energy. >>>> Stupid way to generate electricity for all sorts of reasons. >>> Name them. >> Costs too much so no one is prepared to do it without a subsidy. > Nonsense: Fact. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source Have fun listing even a single example of a major renewable power generation system done in this country without a subsidy. >> Fucks the environment with all those wind generators. > There are many other renewable sources available. Those fuck the environment too. >> Fucks the stability of the grid. > Geo-thermal (aka: 'Hot rock') technology deals with that. Pity that no one is silly enough to build it without a subsidy here. > As does Solar/thermal and Solar PV/battery technologies. Another lie with non synchronous power generation. > All are cost competitive How odd that the only people who pay for them themselves are those who are off grid. > and either zero or very low CO2 emission. Nukes leave them for dead in that regard and don’t have a problem with system stabity or intermittency either. > Best of all, for such a dry place like Australia, minimal to zero water is > consumed. That’s a lie with geothermal and hydro. >> Not feasible to do it where the power is mostly used. > You need to learn (a lot) more before you discuss these things with the > adults. You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag. >>>>> THAT is what the government needs to be investing in. Not coal. >>>> You are just plain wrong, as always. >>> So you keep saying. Let's hear your moronic responses, then we can all >>> decide who the idiot really is. >> We've already decided its fools like you. > Sorry Roddles, it's just you. Is that right ? Not even a single other person who has ever said that its much better to continue with coal fired power generation that piss our money against the wall on renewables eh ? Keep this shit up and your shit and lies and desperate attempt at childish insults will be flushed where it belongs. > You and your climate change denier buddies are a rapidly shrinking > species. Must be why not even a double digit percentage of the voters are actually stupid enough to vote for the clown who want nothing but renewable power generation. >> That’s why you lot don’t even get double digit percentages of >> voters voting for the mindless silly shit fools like you want to see. > And how many vote for those climate change denying morons in the Hanson > party? 5%? Who cares ? They are as completely irrelevant as your fuckwits.
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