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  iPhone 8 Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2017-09-22 17:21 +0700
    Re: iPhone 8 Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-09-22 19:56 +0800
    Re: iPhone 8 Noddy <me@home.com> - 2017-09-22 22:13 +1000
    Re: iPhone 8 felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-28 12:14 +1000
      Re: iPhone 8 Noddy <me@home.com> - 2017-09-28 12:26 +1000
        Re: iPhone 8 felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-28 12:38 +1000
          Re: iPhone 8 Noddy <me@home.com> - 2017-09-28 12:48 +1000
            Re: iPhone 8 felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-28 14:48 +1000
              Re: iPhone 8 Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-28 15:45 +1000
                Re: iPhone 8 felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-28 16:19 +1000
                  Re: iPhone 8 Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-28 17:21 +1000
                    Re: iPhone 8 felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-28 18:22 +1000
                      Re: iPhone 8 Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-28 19:20 +1000
                        Re: iPhone 8 felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-28 19:24 +1000
                          Re: iPhone 8 Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-28 20:31 +1000
                            Re: iPhone 8 felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-28 23:28 +1000
                              Re: iPhone 8 Noddy <me@home.com> - 2017-09-28 23:45 +1000
                                Re: iPhone 8 felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-29 00:31 +1000
                                  Re: iPhone 8 Noddy <me@home.com> - 2017-09-29 00:57 +1000
                                    Re: iPhone 8 felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-29 09:54 +1000
                                      Re: iPhone 8 Noddy <me@home.com> - 2017-09-29 10:04 +1000
                                        Re: iPhone 8 Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-29 12:29 +1000
                                          Re: iPhone 8 Noddy <me@home.com> - 2017-09-29 13:01 +1000
                                          Re: iPhone 8 felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-29 13:05 +1000
                                            Re: iPhone 8 Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-29 14:59 +1000
                                            Re: iPhone 8 Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2017-09-30 06:47 +0800
                                      Re: iPhone 8 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 15:14 +1000
                                    Re: iPhone 8 Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-29 12:10 +1000
                                      Re: iPhone 8 Noddy <me@home.com> - 2017-09-29 13:00 +1000
                                      Re: iPhone 8 felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-29 13:06 +1000
                              Re: iPhone 8 Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-28 23:57 +1000
                                Re: iPhone 8 felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-29 00:29 +1000
                                  Re: iPhone 8 Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-29 00:37 +1000
                                  Re: iPhone 8 Noddy <me@home.com> - 2017-09-29 00:39 +1000
                                    Re: iPhone 8 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 09:29 +1000
                                      Re: iPhone 8 Noddy <me@home.com> - 2017-09-29 10:04 +1000
                                        Re: iPhone 8 Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2017-09-29 11:49 +1000
                                          Re: iPhone 8 Noddy <me@home.com> - 2017-09-29 12:53 +1000
                                        Re: iPhone 8 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 15:15 +1000
                                          Re: iPhone 8 Noddy <me@home.com> - 2017-09-29 17:19 +1000
                                      Re: iPhone 8 felix <felix@real_felix.invalid> - 2017-09-29 10:10 +1000
                                        Re: iPhone 8 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 15:18 +1000
              Re: iPhone 8 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 09:23 +1000
      Re: iPhone 8 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2017-09-28 13:32 +1000

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#61284

On 29/09/17 9:54 AM, felix wrote:
>
>> Unless he moves from the spot where he normally sits down to have a 
>> cup of coffee while he's talking to me, and then it goes pear shaped 
>> quite quickly.
>>
>>
> 
> yeah, that's all I've been saying; that some phones 'sound' better than 
> others, notwithstanding that other issues can affect their performance

Your comments were obvious. To those *without* a barrow to push and who 
are looking for an argument at least :)


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#61292

On 29/09/2017 10:04 AM, Noddy wrote:
> On 29/09/17 9:54 AM, felix wrote:
>>
>>> Unless he moves from the spot where he normally sits down to have a 
>>> cup of coffee while he's talking to me, and then it goes pear shaped 
>>> quite quickly.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> yeah, that's all I've been saying; that some phones 'sound' better 
>> than others, notwithstanding that other issues can affect their 
>> performance
> 
> Your comments were obvious. To those *without* a barrow to push and who 
> are looking for an argument at least :)
> 
> 
You definitely have a barrow to push. I was *agreeing with Felix* but 
adding that there were multiple causes of poor voice transmission with 
VOIP. I was playing around with VOIP in the mid 90s on Linux boxes with 
some Linux geeks. Skype tended to wipe out development efforts in the 
Geek scene from about the mid 90s but my friend in Benalla still runs 
his Linux VOIP server. That was in the very earliest days but some of 
the issues we encountered back then still remain, and Felix's experience 
proves it. It goes way beyond the quality of the microphone and speaker 
in the handset and is highly dependent on the redundancy in the packet 
switching network, not to mention the algorithms in the phone firmware.


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#61295

On 29/09/17 12:29 PM, Xeno wrote:

>>
>> Your comments were obvious. To those *without* a barrow to push and 
>> who are looking for an argument at least :)
>>
>>
> You definitely have a barrow to push. I was *agreeing with Felix* 
Didn't look like it to me, or to Felix I would imagine.

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#61296

On 29/09/2017 12:29 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 29/09/2017 10:04 AM, Noddy wrote:
>> On 29/09/17 9:54 AM, felix wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unless he moves from the spot where he normally sits down to have a 
>>>> cup of coffee while he's talking to me, and then it goes pear 
>>>> shaped quite quickly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> yeah, that's all I've been saying; that some phones 'sound' better 
>>> than others, notwithstanding that other issues can affect their 
>>> performance
>>
>> Your comments were obvious. To those *without* a barrow to push and 
>> who are looking for an argument at least :)
>>
>>
> You definitely have a barrow to push. I was *agreeing with Felix* but 
> adding that there were multiple causes of poor voice transmission with 
> VOIP. I was playing around with VOIP in the mid 90s on Linux boxes 
> with some Linux geeks. Skype tended to wipe out development efforts in 
> the Geek scene from about the mid 90s but my friend in Benalla still 
> runs his Linux VOIP server. That was in the very earliest days but 
> some of the issues we encountered back then still remain, and Felix's 
> experience proves it. It goes way beyond the quality of the microphone 
> and speaker in the handset and is highly dependent on the redundancy 
> in the packet switching network, not to mention the algorithms in the 
> phone firmware.
>
>

I was never talking about voip, only mobile handsets


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#61306

On 29/09/2017 1:05 PM, felix wrote:
> On 29/09/2017 12:29 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 29/09/2017 10:04 AM, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 29/09/17 9:54 AM, felix wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Unless he moves from the spot where he normally sits down to have a 
>>>>> cup of coffee while he's talking to me, and then it goes pear 
>>>>> shaped quite quickly.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yeah, that's all I've been saying; that some phones 'sound' better 
>>>> than others, notwithstanding that other issues can affect their 
>>>> performance
>>>
>>> Your comments were obvious. To those *without* a barrow to push and 
>>> who are looking for an argument at least :)
>>>
>>>
>> You definitely have a barrow to push. I was *agreeing with Felix* but 
>> adding that there were multiple causes of poor voice transmission with 
>> VOIP. I was playing around with VOIP in the mid 90s on Linux boxes 
>> with some Linux geeks. Skype tended to wipe out development efforts in 
>> the Geek scene from about the mid 90s but my friend in Benalla still 
>> runs his Linux VOIP server. That was in the very earliest days but 
>> some of the issues we encountered back then still remain, and Felix's 
>> experience proves it. It goes way beyond the quality of the microphone 
>> and speaker in the handset and is highly dependent on the redundancy 
>> in the packet switching network, not to mention the algorithms in the 
>> phone firmware.
>>
>>
> 
> I was never talking about voip, only mobile handsets
> 
> 
Mobile handsets, I'm pretty sure, all are packet based these days - 
similar technology, same issues. Ring me on my land line, for instance, 
and there will be a definite VoIP connection between us. Says so on my 
modem.  ;-)

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#61353

On 29/09/2017 11:05 AM, felix wrote:
> On 29/09/2017 12:29 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 29/09/2017 10:04 AM, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 29/09/17 9:54 AM, felix wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Unless he moves from the spot where he normally sits down to have a 
>>>>> cup of coffee while he's talking to me, and then it goes pear 
>>>>> shaped quite quickly.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yeah, that's all I've been saying; that some phones 'sound' better 
>>>> than others, notwithstanding that other issues can affect their 
>>>> performance
>>>
>>> Your comments were obvious. To those *without* a barrow to push and 
>>> who are looking for an argument at least :)
>>>
>>>
>> You definitely have a barrow to push. I was *agreeing with Felix* but 
>> adding that there were multiple causes of poor voice transmission with 
>> VOIP. I was playing around with VOIP in the mid 90s on Linux boxes 
>> with some Linux geeks. Skype tended to wipe out development efforts in 
>> the Geek scene from about the mid 90s but my friend in Benalla still 
>> runs his Linux VOIP server. That was in the very earliest days but 
>> some of the issues we encountered back then still remain, and Felix's 
>> experience proves it. It goes way beyond the quality of the microphone 
>> and speaker in the handset and is highly dependent on the redundancy 
>> in the packet switching network, not to mention the algorithms in the 
>> phone firmware.
>>
>>
> 
> I was never talking about voip, only mobile handsets
> 
> 


At the end of the day it depends on a lot of factors. Even so, if all 
else is equal and nothing external is the limiting factor then yes there 
will be differences between call quality on different phones because 
some phones are simply better than others in that department.

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#61307

"felix" <felix@real_felix.invalid> wrote in message 
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> On 29/09/2017 12:57 AM, Noddy wrote:
>> On 29/09/17 12:31 AM, felix wrote:
>>
>>>> But you're getting one anyway. Krypsis isn't terribly happy at the 
>>>> moment as it's been a rough couple of weeks for him. He's had his arse 
>>>> slapped from bedtime to breakfast on every subject he's tried to 
>>>> bullshit about, and he's getting quite cunty as a result :)
>>>
>>> I doubt he will agree with those remarks :)
>>
>> Yeah, nah :)
>>
>> Don't forget this is the moron who came up with the "you deleted them" 
>> defence after his own bullshit had wrapped itself around his throat and 
>> threatened to strangle him.
>>
>>>> I didn't think there was any need to clarify your comments, and I think 
>>>> what you comment about has more to do with the network than the 
>>>> handpiece.
>>>
>>> from my experience it's vice versa
>> It can be funny at times.
>>
>> I've got a mate who lives out in Hallam, which I'm sure you know where 
>> that is, and he calls me semi regularly for a catch up chat. He's a bit 
>> of a technophobe and has only in the last year or so moved to a 
>> smartphone after years of using his old Nokia N8. His "new" phone is one 
>> of those 200 buck Aldi things, and when he calls it's *always* as sharp 
>> as a bell.
>>
>> Unless he moves from the spot where he normally sits down to have a cup 
>> of coffee while he's talking to me, and then it goes pear shaped quite 
>> quickly.
>>
>>
>
> yeah, that's all I've been saying; that some phones 'sound' better than 
> others, notwithstanding that other issues can affect their performance

I'm not convinced that you have it the right way round tho, given that
one mate of mine now calls me using his samsung S8 multiple times
during a garage sale run on saturday morning and a few times during
the rest of the week too, and another calls me with his iphone 6S. There
isnt a lot in it voice quality wise, but the Samsung is definitely a bit 
worse. 

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#61291

On 29/09/2017 12:57 AM, Noddy wrote:
> On 29/09/17 12:31 AM, felix wrote:
> 
>>> But you're getting one anyway. Krypsis isn't terribly happy at the 
>>> moment as it's been a rough couple of weeks for him. He's had his 
>>> arse slapped from bedtime to breakfast on every subject he's tried to 
>>> bullshit about, and he's getting quite cunty as a result :)
>>
>> I doubt he will agree with those remarks :)
> 
> Yeah, nah :)
> 
> Don't forget this is the moron who came up with the "you deleted them" 
> defence after his own bullshit had wrapped itself around his throat and 
> threatened to strangle him.
> 
>>> I didn't think there was any need to clarify your comments, and I 
>>> think what you comment about has more to do with the network than the 
>>> handpiece. 
>>
>> from my experience it's vice versa
> It can be funny at times.
> 
> I've got a mate who lives out in Hallam, which I'm sure you know where 
> that is, and he calls me semi regularly for a catch up chat. He's a bit 
> of a technophobe and has only in the last year or so moved to a 
> smartphone after years of using his old Nokia N8. His "new" phone is one 
> of those 200 buck Aldi things, and when he calls it's *always* as sharp 
> as a bell.

Unlike the recipient of the call who's never going to be mistaken for 
someone *sharp as a bell*.
> 
> Unless he moves from the spot where he normally sits down to have a cup 
> of coffee while he's talking to me, and then it goes pear shaped quite 
> quickly.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> Noddy.


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#61294

On 29/09/17 12:10 PM, Xeno wrote:

>> I've got a mate who lives out in Hallam, which I'm sure you know where 
>> that is, and he calls me semi regularly for a catch up chat. He's a 
>> bit of a technophobe and has only in the last year or so moved to a 
>> smartphone after years of using his old Nokia N8. His "new" phone is 
>> one of those 200 buck Aldi things, and when he calls it's *always* as 
>> sharp as a bell.
> 
> Unlike the recipient of the call who's never going to be mistaken for 
> someone *sharp as a bell*.

It's amusing how your "authority" has been reduced to infantile little 
snippets like this.

I can almost feel your pain from here :)




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#61297

On 29/09/2017 12:10 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 29/09/2017 12:57 AM, Noddy wrote:
>> On 29/09/17 12:31 AM, felix wrote:
>>
>>>> But you're getting one anyway. Krypsis isn't terribly happy at the 
>>>> moment as it's been a rough couple of weeks for him. He's had his 
>>>> arse slapped from bedtime to breakfast on every subject he's tried 
>>>> to bullshit about, and he's getting quite cunty as a result :)
>>>
>>> I doubt he will agree with those remarks :)
>>
>> Yeah, nah :)
>>
>> Don't forget this is the moron who came up with the "you deleted 
>> them" defence after his own bullshit had wrapped itself around his 
>> throat and threatened to strangle him.
>>
>>>> I didn't think there was any need to clarify your comments, and I 
>>>> think what you comment about has more to do with the network than 
>>>> the handpiece. 
>>>
>>> from my experience it's vice versa
>> It can be funny at times.
>>
>> I've got a mate who lives out in Hallam, which I'm sure you know 
>> where that is, and he calls me semi regularly for a catch up chat. 
>> He's a bit of a technophobe and has only in the last year or so moved 
>> to a smartphone after years of using his old Nokia N8. His "new" 
>> phone is one of those 200 buck Aldi things, and when he calls it's 
>> *always* as sharp as a bell.
>
> Unlike the recipient of the call who's never going to be mistaken for 
> someone *sharp as a bell*.

LOL

>>
>> Unless he moves from the spot where he normally sits down to have a 
>> cup of coffee while he's talking to me, and then it goes pear shaped 
>> quite quickly.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> Noddy.
>
>

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#61264

On 28/09/2017 11:28 PM, felix wrote:
> On 28/09/2017 8:31 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 28/09/2017 7:24 PM, felix wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2017 7:20 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 28/09/2017 6:22 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>> On 28/09/2017 5:21 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 4:19 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 3:45 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 2:48 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 12:48 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 28/09/17 12:38 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have two friends who call me often, one has an iPhone and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the other Samsung. the call quality from the Samsung user 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is far superior to the iPhone. although that may have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something to do with who the carrier is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has a *lot* to do with *many* things.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> like what?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like location and network congestion for example. The *same* 
>>>>>>>>>> phone can give different results at different times.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I haven't noticed that. it's always the same result regardless 
>>>>>>>>> of when or where called from. and the person with the Samsung 
>>>>>>>>> recently upgraded from an earlier Samsung model, and they call 
>>>>>>>>> from the same location with the same carrier with the new 
>>>>>>>>> phone, and the sound is remarkably better, so that can only be 
>>>>>>>>> attributable to the phone. also I just realized that another 
>>>>>>>>> friend has an iphone, and their call quality is the same as the 
>>>>>>>>> other iphone, although they are with a different carrier. I 
>>>>>>>>> have never heard call quality as good as with the Samsung which 
>>>>>>>>> is the model before the current one I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interesting. My experience is the reverse. My friend at Moonee 
>>>>>>>> Beach had a Samsung Galaxy. With either Telstra or Optus, she 
>>>>>>>> had poor signal, dropouts, garbled conversations, etc. There 
>>>>>>>> were dead zones in her house so she had to make sure she never 
>>>>>>>> moved into one when she took or initiated a call. That was when 
>>>>>>>> I had my iPhone 4S and it worked perfectly at her place, in any 
>>>>>>>> location - no dead zones. Note, mine was with Optus since I live 
>>>>>>>> in a *Telstra free zone* (my choice). She then bought the same 
>>>>>>>> phone, problems over. When I upgraded mine to an SE, she did 
>>>>>>>> likewise. Her daughter went to an iPhone 6, they swapped, so now 
>>>>>>>> she has an iPhone 6 and is as happy as a pig in the proverbial.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was only referring to the quality of the voice transmission as 
>>>>>>> received
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was *included* in what I wrote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ok, what I'm trying to say is that I'm talking about how the voice 
>>>>> sounds, ie. clarity, volume, whether it's just 'flat' or 'full 
>>>>> ranging', etc., and not about calls dropping or stuff like that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I was talking about the *gamut*, not single issues.
>>>>
>>>
>>> you were addressing what I said, and I'm clarifying what I said
>>>
>>>
>> Odd, I thought I was addressing my *experience* with Samsung vs iPhone 
>> which, as I stated, was the reverse of your experience - in every way. 
>> Actually, it was my friend's experience but it became a *shared 
>> experience* whenever they tried to ring me or vice versa.
>>
> 
> initially you addressed my comments by relating your experience, as you 

Indeed I did. My mileage varied!   ;-)

> often do whether it's called for or not. it seemed to me that you might 
> have misinterpreted my remarks so I sought to clarify them. I tried to 

I didn't misinterpret your remarks. As I said, I addressed the gamut. 
With phones there is rarely a single issue that causes communication 
problems. I learnt this the hard way when a friend and I were playing 
with VOIP back in the days before it was mainstream. VOIP has improved a 
lot since those heady days.

> explain that I was talking specifically about the quality of the voice 
> transmission I receive. 

And that is exactly what my friend was having issues with - voice 
quality. The change of phone fixed - rx, tx, signal strength, etc. Which 
of those caused the voice quality degradation? Who knows?

FWIW, my Galaxy had a different issue. It would go deaf. It would 
neither call out nor receive incoming calls. The problem was that I 
didn't make a lot of outgoing calls so didn't know until someone told me 
they'd been trying to ring. That could have been going on for a week or 
more because, on average, I only made 3 or 4 calls a month. Numerous 
visits to Samsung repair centres where they would update firmware and 
otherwise pissfart around. Invariably the phone would work Ok for a 
time, then do it again. All I needed to do was reboot the phone, not 
such a big deal, but I never knew when it was going to play up. It could 
go deaf in a week, or in a few hours.

BTW, it did have voice quality issues but I put that down to the network 
at that time. It may well have been the phone. I just set it aside and 
bought an iPhone 4S and my phone issues just went away. Works for me.

> I'm not looking for an argument here.

Neither am I.

You'll need to see Noddy about that. He's an argumentative little prick.
Currently he can't tell the difference between a Certificate and an Exam.


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#61265

On 28/09/2017 11:57 PM, Xeno wrote:
> On 28/09/2017 11:28 PM, felix wrote:
>> On 28/09/2017 8:31 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2017 7:24 PM, felix wrote:
>>>> On 28/09/2017 7:20 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 28/09/2017 6:22 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 5:21 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 4:19 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 3:45 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 2:48 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 12:48 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/09/17 12:38 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have two friends who call me often, one has an iPhone 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the other Samsung. the call quality from the Samsung 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user is far superior to the iPhone. although that may 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have something to do with who the carrier is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has a *lot* to do with *many* things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> like what?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like location and network congestion for example. The *same* 
>>>>>>>>>>> phone can give different results at different times.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I haven't noticed that. it's always the same result 
>>>>>>>>>> regardless of when or where called from. and the person with 
>>>>>>>>>> the Samsung recently upgraded from an earlier Samsung model, 
>>>>>>>>>> and they call from the same location with the same carrier 
>>>>>>>>>> with the new phone, and the sound is remarkably better, so 
>>>>>>>>>> that can only be attributable to the phone. also I just 
>>>>>>>>>> realized that another friend has an iphone, and their call 
>>>>>>>>>> quality is the same as the other iphone, although they are 
>>>>>>>>>> with a different carrier. I have never heard call quality as 
>>>>>>>>>> good as with the Samsung which is the model before the 
>>>>>>>>>> current one I think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Interesting. My experience is the reverse. My friend at Moonee 
>>>>>>>>> Beach had a Samsung Galaxy. With either Telstra or Optus, she 
>>>>>>>>> had poor signal, dropouts, garbled conversations, etc. There 
>>>>>>>>> were dead zones in her house so she had to make sure she never 
>>>>>>>>> moved into one when she took or initiated a call. That was 
>>>>>>>>> when I had my iPhone 4S and it worked perfectly at her place, 
>>>>>>>>> in any location - no dead zones. Note, mine was with Optus 
>>>>>>>>> since I live in a *Telstra free zone* (my choice). She then 
>>>>>>>>> bought the same phone, problems over. When I upgraded mine to 
>>>>>>>>> an SE, she did likewise. Her daughter went to an iPhone 6, 
>>>>>>>>> they swapped, so now she has an iPhone 6 and is as happy as a 
>>>>>>>>> pig in the proverbial.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was only referring to the quality of the voice transmission 
>>>>>>>> as received
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That was *included* in what I wrote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ok, what I'm trying to say is that I'm talking about how the 
>>>>>> voice sounds, ie. clarity, volume, whether it's just 'flat' or 
>>>>>> 'full ranging', etc., and not about calls dropping or stuff like 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I was talking about the *gamut*, not single issues.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you were addressing what I said, and I'm clarifying what I said
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Odd, I thought I was addressing my *experience* with Samsung vs 
>>> iPhone which, as I stated, was the reverse of your experience - in 
>>> every way. Actually, it was my friend's experience but it became a 
>>> *shared experience* whenever they tried to ring me or vice versa.
>>>
>>
>> initially you addressed my comments by relating your experience, as you 
>
> Indeed I did. My mileage varied!   ;-)
>
>> often do whether it's called for or not. it seemed to me that you 
>> might have misinterpreted my remarks so I sought to clarify them. I 
>> tried to 
>
> I didn't misinterpret your remarks. As I said, I addressed the gamut. 
> With phones there is rarely a single issue that causes communication 
> problems. 

and I tried to explain I not talking about a transmission issue. I 
talking about how different phones produce better or worse sound. 
another person who calls me has some crappy phone that is barely audible

> I learnt this the hard way when a friend and I were playing with VOIP 
> back in the days before it was mainstream. VOIP has improved a lot 
> since those heady days.
>
>> explain that I was talking specifically about the quality of the 
>> voice transmission I receive. 
>
> And that is exactly what my friend was having issues with - voice 
> quality. The change of phone fixed - rx, tx, signal strength, etc. 
> Which of those caused the voice quality degradation? Who knows?
>
> FWIW, my Galaxy had a different issue. It would go deaf. It would 
> neither call out nor receive incoming calls. The problem was that I 
> didn't make a lot of outgoing calls so didn't know until someone told 
> me they'd been trying to ring. That could have been going on for a 
> week or more because, on average, I only made 3 or 4 calls a month. 
> Numerous visits to Samsung repair centres where they would update 
> firmware and otherwise pissfart around. Invariably the phone would 
> work Ok for a time, then do it again. All I needed to do was reboot 
> the phone, not such a big deal, but I never knew when it was going to 
> play up. It could go deaf in a week, or in a few hours.
>
> BTW, it did have voice quality issues but I put that down to the 
> network at that time. It may well have been the phone. I just set it 
> aside and bought an iPhone 4S and my phone issues just went away. 
> Works for me.
>
>> I'm not looking for an argument here.
>
> Neither am I.
>
> You'll need to see Noddy about that. He's an argumentative little prick.
> Currently he can't tell the difference between a Certificate and an Exam.
>
>

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#61267

On 29/09/2017 12:29 AM, felix wrote:
> On 28/09/2017 11:57 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 28/09/2017 11:28 PM, felix wrote:
>>> On 28/09/2017 8:31 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 28/09/2017 7:24 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>> On 28/09/2017 7:20 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 6:22 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 5:21 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 4:19 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 3:45 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 2:48 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/09/2017 12:48 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/09/17 12:38 PM, felix wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have two friends who call me often, one has an iPhone 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the other Samsung. the call quality from the Samsung 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user is far superior to the iPhone. although that may 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have something to do with who the carrier is?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has a *lot* to do with *many* things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Like location and network congestion for example. The *same* 
>>>>>>>>>>>> phone can give different results at different times.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't noticed that. it's always the same result 
>>>>>>>>>>> regardless of when or where called from. and the person with 
>>>>>>>>>>> the Samsung recently upgraded from an earlier Samsung model, 
>>>>>>>>>>> and they call from the same location with the same carrier 
>>>>>>>>>>> with the new phone, and the sound is remarkably better, so 
>>>>>>>>>>> that can only be attributable to the phone. also I just 
>>>>>>>>>>> realized that another friend has an iphone, and their call 
>>>>>>>>>>> quality is the same as the other iphone, although they are 
>>>>>>>>>>> with a different carrier. I have never heard call quality as 
>>>>>>>>>>> good as with the Samsung which is the model before the 
>>>>>>>>>>> current one I think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Interesting. My experience is the reverse. My friend at Moonee 
>>>>>>>>>> Beach had a Samsung Galaxy. With either Telstra or Optus, she 
>>>>>>>>>> had poor signal, dropouts, garbled conversations, etc. There 
>>>>>>>>>> were dead zones in her house so she had to make sure she never 
>>>>>>>>>> moved into one when she took or initiated a call. That was 
>>>>>>>>>> when I had my iPhone 4S and it worked perfectly at her place, 
>>>>>>>>>> in any location - no dead zones. Note, mine was with Optus 
>>>>>>>>>> since I live in a *Telstra free zone* (my choice). She then 
>>>>>>>>>> bought the same phone, problems over. When I upgraded mine to 
>>>>>>>>>> an SE, she did likewise. Her daughter went to an iPhone 6, 
>>>>>>>>>> they swapped, so now she has an iPhone 6 and is as happy as a 
>>>>>>>>>> pig in the proverbial.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was only referring to the quality of the voice transmission 
>>>>>>>>> as received
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That was *included* in what I wrote.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ok, what I'm trying to say is that I'm talking about how the 
>>>>>>> voice sounds, ie. clarity, volume, whether it's just 'flat' or 
>>>>>>> 'full ranging', etc., and not about calls dropping or stuff like 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was talking about the *gamut*, not single issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you were addressing what I said, and I'm clarifying what I said
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Odd, I thought I was addressing my *experience* with Samsung vs 
>>>> iPhone which, as I stated, was the reverse of your experience - in 
>>>> every way. Actually, it was my friend's experience but it became a 
>>>> *shared experience* whenever they tried to ring me or vice versa.
>>>>
>>>
>>> initially you addressed my comments by relating your experience, as you 
>>
>> Indeed I did. My mileage varied!   ;-)
>>
>>> often do whether it's called for or not. it seemed to me that you 
>>> might have misinterpreted my remarks so I sought to clarify them. I 
>>> tried to 
>>
>> I didn't misinterpret your remarks. As I said, I addressed the gamut. 
>> With phones there is rarely a single issue that causes communication 
>> problems. 
> 
> and I tried to explain I not talking about a transmission issue. I 
> talking about how different phones produce better or worse sound. 
> another person who calls me has some crappy phone that is barely audible

And that was the primary issue my friend had. She also had poor signal 
as well. Bottom line, she had a crappy Samsung.


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#61268

On 29/09/17 12:29 AM, felix wrote:

>> I didn't misinterpret your remarks. As I said, I addressed the gamut. 
>> With phones there is rarely a single issue that causes communication 
>> problems. 
> 
> and I tried to explain I not talking about a transmission issue.

You *think* you're not talking about a transmission issue.

> I talking about how different phones produce better or worse sound. 

Some do, but most phones are capable of different sounds on different 
days, and that is completely beyond the control of the handset. As I 
said, the wife's iphone 7 is as clear as if she's standing in the room 
next to me one minute, and then like two tin cans on a piece of string 
the next. Fantasically clear on bluetooth handsfree on Wednesday, 
dropping every second word and sounding like she's speaking in a garbage 
can on Thurdsay.

There is no typical "phone sound" in my experience. External influences 
and interferences all make up how a handset sounds.




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#61280

"Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in message news:oqj1hd$s6q$1@dont-email.me...
> On 29/09/17 12:29 AM, felix wrote:
>
>>> I didn't misinterpret your remarks. As I said, I addressed the gamut. 
>>> With phones there is rarely a single issue that causes communication 
>>> problems.
>>
>> and I tried to explain I not talking about a transmission issue.
>
> You *think* you're not talking about a transmission issue.
>
>> I talking about how different phones produce better or worse sound.
>
> Some do, but most phones are capable of different sounds on different 
> days, and that is completely beyond the control of the handset. As I said, 
> the wife's iphone 7 is as clear as if she's standing in the room next to 
> me one minute, and then like two tin cans on a piece of string the next. 
> Fantasically clear on bluetooth handsfree on Wednesday, dropping every 
> second word and sounding like she's speaking in a garbage can on Thurdsay.

Just a faulty phone, doesn’t happen with mine or any of my mates with one.

> There is no typical "phone sound" in my experience.

There is anyway.

> External influences and interferences all make up how a handset sounds.

Not with the best designed phones.

 

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#61285

On 29/09/17 9:29 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Some do, but most phones are capable of different sounds on different 
>> days, and that is completely beyond the control of the handset. As I 
>> said, the wife's iphone 7 is as clear as if she's standing in the room 
>> next to me one minute, and then like two tin cans on a piece of string 
>> the next. Fantasically clear on bluetooth handsfree on Wednesday, 
>> dropping every second word and sounding like she's speaking in a 
>> garbage can on Thurdsay.
> 
> Just a faulty phone, doesn’t happen with mine or any of my mates with one.

Oh, that makes it alright then.

Meanwhile in the *real* world.....


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#61289

On 29/09/2017 10:04 AM, Noddy wrote:
> On 29/09/17 9:29 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Some do, but most phones are capable of different sounds on different 
>>> days, and that is completely beyond the control of the handset. As I 
>>> said, the wife's iphone 7 is as clear as if she's standing in the 
>>> room next to me one minute, and then like two tin cans on a piece of 
>>> string the next. Fantasically clear on bluetooth handsfree on 
>>> Wednesday, dropping every second word and sounding like she's 
>>> speaking in a garbage can on Thurdsay.
>>
>> Just a faulty phone, doesn’t happen with mine or any of my mates with 
>> one.
> 
> Oh, that makes it alright then.
> 
> Meanwhile in the *real* world.....
> 
> 
The real world is outside your shed Noddy.

Not that you ever venture out into it all that much.

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#61293

On 29/09/17 11:49 AM, Xeno wrote:

>>> Just a faulty phone, doesn’t happen with mine or any of my mates with 
>>> one.
>>
>> Oh, that makes it alright then.
>>
>> Meanwhile in the *real* world.....
>>
>>
> The real world is outside your shed Noddy.
> 
> Not that you ever venture out into it all that much.

Take a moment to explain to everyone how you would have any idea about this?





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#61308

"Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in message news:oqk2l3$h7r$6@dont-email.me...
> On 29/09/17 9:29 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Some do, but most phones are capable of different sounds on different 
>>> days, and that is completely beyond the control of the handset. As I 
>>> said, the wife's iphone 7 is as clear as if she's standing in the room 
>>> next to me one minute, and then like two tin cans on a piece of string 
>>> the next. Fantasically clear on bluetooth handsfree on Wednesday, 
>>> dropping every second word and sounding like she's speaking in a garbage 
>>> can on Thurdsay.
>>
>> Just a faulty phone, doesn’t happen with mine or any of my mates with 
>> one.
>
> Oh, that makes it alright then.

Nope, that its useless when discussing which phone have better voice 
quality.
 

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#61322

On 29/09/17 3:15 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

>>> Just a faulty phone, doesn’t happen with mine or any of my mates with 
>>> one.
>>
>> Oh, that makes it alright then.
> 
> Nope, that its useless when discussing which phone have better voice 
> quality.

I never tried to suggest otherwise Rod, other than to say that the 
quality is variable.


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