Re: POS Office 365 servers at U.S. Treasury hacked by Russia!

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.os.linux
Subject	Re: POS Office 365 servers at U.S. Treasury hacked by Russia!
Date	2020-12-14 12:17 +0100
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On 14/12/2020 11.44, R.Wieser wrote:
> Carlos,
> 
>> What relationship has the alleged electoral fraud to a hacking of
>> Office 365 servers at the US treasury? It is a serious question,
> 
> Its the hallmark of a good spindoctor, conman or troll : taking something 
> and by putting it next to something else suggesting that the first has 
> something to do with the second.   And by just looking at the news you can 
> see that scores of people on the street have been, and are still falling for 
> it.

I thought so.


>> I don't know how the electoral servers and machines are networked
>> or if.
> 
> Why would they need to be networked ?    Apart from a data-extraction hack 
> most of those do not need an active connection.   The hacking could have be 
> done long before the election, or someone could used an USB stick (or 
> alike). Either while the devices where stored, in transit or even when they 
> where already set up for usage.

Yes, certainly not related at all to the remote hack of the subject.

I guess that people assume a hacker connects (more or less by magic, as
in movies), then changes the voting count before it is read and totalled
for the district or the preccint or whatever it is called.


> But ... All of those "must have been hacked" allegations ignore something 
> rather important, being what they over there call "the golden standard" : 
> Every vote that has been made on those machines has been recorded twice : 
> once on a list in the machine itself, and copied on a paper ballot *in 
> human-readable form* - which can thus be checked by the voter.   Those 
> ballots are than handed over to an official.

Yes, having a paper trail is crucial for these things.


> And remember, Trump has asked for and gotten recounts in several 
> towns/counties.  There they counted those paper ballots *and* compared them 
> to the lists that came outof those voting machines.  Virtually no 
> discrepancies where found.

Good.

> There have been allegations that those machines have been hacked to spew out 
> reams of votes for Biden.   That would also be detected, as the number of 
> voters is counted too.  IOW: Having more votes than voters would also signal 
> a problem.
> 
> Bottom line: *If* such a machine would have been hacked "the golden 
> standard" methode would have detected it (paper ballot totals not maching 
> the totals coming outof the machine(s) and/or not matching the count of 
> voters).
> 
> But hey, if a story is spun loud enough and repeated often enough the 
> listeners often forget to think for themselves, skipping "details" like 
> that.

True. Propaganda golden rule since... who knows.


> By the way, I'm not an USA-ian either.
> 
> Regards,
> Rudy Wieser
> 
> P.s.
> xpost list trimmed to just this one.

But I was reading it on the Linux groups...

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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POS Office 365 servers at U.S. Treasury hacked by Russia! mail.zip2.in Anonymous Remailer <nobody@mail.zip2.in> - 2020-12-14 09:21 +0530
  Re: POS Office 365 servers at U.S. Treasury hacked by Russia! Stefan Claas <stefan@ctemplar.com> - 2020-12-14 10:19 +0100
    Re: POS Office 365 servers at U.S. Treasury hacked by Russia! Stefan Claas <stefan@ctemplar.com> - 2020-12-14 10:31 +0100
      Re: POS Office 365 servers at U.S. Treasury hacked by Russia! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-12-14 10:43 +0100
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