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  Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-08-25 13:15 +0000
    Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-08-26 11:28 +0200
      Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-08-26 21:06 +0000
        Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-08-27 06:42 +0200
        Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-08-28 10:15 +0000
          Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-08-28 14:41 +0000
            Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-08-28 16:23 +0000
              Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-08-28 17:05 +0000
                Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2018-08-28 14:32 -0500
                  Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-08-28 20:52 +0000
                    Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-08-29 07:00 +0200
                      Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-08-29 12:17 +0000
                        Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-08-29 22:24 +0200
                          Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-08-29 23:32 +0000
                            Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-08-30 07:12 +0200
                              Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-08-30 05:41 +0000
                                Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-08-31 06:55 +0200
                                Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-08-31 10:07 +0000
                                  Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-09-01 09:22 +0200
                Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-08-29 09:14 +0000
                  Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-08-29 12:22 +0000
                    Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2018-08-29 05:49 -0700
                    Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-08-29 16:21 +0000
                      Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-08-29 16:57 +0000
                        Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2018-08-29 22:17 +0200
                          Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-08-29 23:31 +0000
                            Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-08-31 10:04 +0000
                          Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-08-31 10:01 +0000
                    Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-08-29 16:54 +0000
                      Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2018-08-29 17:18 +0000
            Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2018-08-28 18:23 -0400
    Re: Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2018-08-27 01:43 -0500

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#19467 — Exiting from X leaves screen blank if x started with startx

I am running mageia 6 with sddm and plasma as the desktop manager,
My wife and I both use the computer, and since I am usually first on,
she starts by going to a console screen (alt-ctl-F3 say) logging in and
running startx -- :1
That brings up X, a bit hesitantly (Ie, it seems to take longer than it
should) but it works. When she logs out of X either with alt-ctrl-Bksp
twice or via the logout option from the desktop, there is a completely
black screen left over (well it seems to have dark grey stripes which
can change barely visible). Ie, it does not return to the console as it
should. If I then do alt-ctrl-F2, alt-ctrl-F3 the console comes up
again. Ie it seems that the logout did not quite finish from X.

(Since I logged on from the sddm greeter, if I do alt-ctrl-Bksp twice,
the system brings up the greeter again.)

Any hints as to what might be wrong?

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#19477

On 8/25/18 3:15 PM, William Unruh wrote:
> I am running mageia 6 with sddm and plasma as the desktop manager,
> My wife and I both use the computer, and since I am usually first on,
> she starts by going to a console screen (alt-ctl-F3 say) logging in and
> running startx -- :1
> That brings up X, a bit hesitantly (Ie, it seems to take longer than it
> should) but it works. When she logs out of X either with alt-ctrl-Bksp
> twice or via the logout option from the desktop, there is a completely
> black screen left over (well it seems to have dark grey stripes which
> can change barely visible). Ie, it does not return to the console as it
> should. If I then do alt-ctrl-F2, alt-ctrl-F3 the console comes up
> again. Ie it seems that the logout did not quite finish from X.
> 
> (Since I logged on from the sddm greeter, if I do alt-ctrl-Bksp twice,
> the system brings up the greeter again.)

simple solution, set a desktop manage to start as default and set that
startx can only started by privileged user.

> Any hints as to what might be wrong?
> 
Some combinations of nVidia driver and nVidia graphics cards seems to
always had this issue and the combination may change with different
versions of the driver.


-- 

 //Aho

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#19488

On 2018-08-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
> On 8/25/18 3:15 PM, William Unruh wrote:
>> I am running mageia 6 with sddm and plasma as the desktop manager,
>> My wife and I both use the computer, and since I am usually first on,
>> she starts by going to a console screen (alt-ctl-F3 say) logging in and
>> running startx -- :1
>> That brings up X, a bit hesitantly (Ie, it seems to take longer than it
>> should) but it works. When she logs out of X either with alt-ctrl-Bksp
>> twice or via the logout option from the desktop, there is a completely
>> black screen left over (well it seems to have dark grey stripes which
>> can change barely visible). Ie, it does not return to the console as it
>> should. If I then do alt-ctrl-F2, alt-ctrl-F3 the console comes up
>> again. Ie it seems that the logout did not quite finish from X.
>> 
>> (Since I logged on from the sddm greeter, if I do alt-ctrl-Bksp twice,
>> the system brings up the greeter again.)
>
> simple solution, set a desktop manage to start as default and set that
> startx can only started by privileged user.

?? I want her to be able to log on with a desktop, even if I am already
logged on. Her loggin on is not the problem. Her system being left with
a blank screen when she logs off is the problem.

>
>> Any hints as to what might be wrong?
>> 
> Some combinations of nVidia driver and nVidia graphics cards seems to
> always had this issue and the combination may change with different
> versions of the driver.

Intel onboard graphics. This all worked fine in Mga5.

>
>

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#19489

On 8/26/18 11:06 PM, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2018-08-26, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>> On 8/25/18 3:15 PM, William Unruh wrote:
>>> I am running mageia 6 with sddm and plasma as the desktop manager,
>>> My wife and I both use the computer, and since I am usually first on,
>>> she starts by going to a console screen (alt-ctl-F3 say) logging in and
>>> running startx -- :1
>>> That brings up X, a bit hesitantly (Ie, it seems to take longer than it
>>> should) but it works. When she logs out of X either with alt-ctrl-Bksp
>>> twice or via the logout option from the desktop, there is a completely
>>> black screen left over (well it seems to have dark grey stripes which
>>> can change barely visible). Ie, it does not return to the console as it
>>> should. If I then do alt-ctrl-F2, alt-ctrl-F3 the console comes up
>>> again. Ie it seems that the logout did not quite finish from X.
>>>
>>> (Since I logged on from the sddm greeter, if I do alt-ctrl-Bksp twice,
>>> the system brings up the greeter again.)
>>
>> simple solution, set a desktop manage to start as default and set that
>> startx can only started by privileged user.
> 
> ?? I want her to be able to log on with a desktop, even if I am already
> logged on. Her loggin on is not the problem. Her system being left with
> a blank screen when she logs off is the problem.

Either she starts a new seat with "switch user" from your session or you
configure the desktop manager by default at least to start two seats.

-- 

 //Aho

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#19493

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 21:06:31 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

>  I want her to be able to log on with a desktop, even if I am already
> logged on.


With similar setup, if the SO wants to login I just fire up 'Switch User' 
and use the greeter to do the login.
From then on just swap as required from one to other via Ctl+Alt+F1 or F2.

[This is when away from base wih shared laptop. Separate PC's at home.]

Never seen the blank screen problem.


Regards,
-- 
/\/\aurice (In Geneva at moment)
(Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email)

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#19494

On 2018-08-28, Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 21:06:31 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>
>>  I want her to be able to log on with a desktop, even if I am already
>> logged on.
>
>
> With similar setup, if the SO wants to login I just fire up 'Switch User' 
> and use the greeter to do the login.
> From then on just swap as required from one to other via Ctl+Alt+F1 or F2.

And where is "Switch User"

>
> [This is when away from base wih shared laptop. Separate PC's at home.]
>
> Never seen the blank screen problem.
>
>
> Regards,

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#19495

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:41:35 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

> where is "Switch User"


Application menu (blue Mageia globe in Panel) /Power, Session/ Switch user

Regards,

-- 
/\/\aurice
(Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email)

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#19497

On 2018-08-28, Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:41:35 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>
>> where is "Switch User"
>
>
> Application menu (blue Mageia globe in Panel) /Power, Session/ Switch user

Sorry, I must be blind. I have nothing in the application menu refering
to Power. Or Session. The items are
internet, office, graphics, Sound&video,tools, development,
games,education, sciences.

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#19498

On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:05:41 -0000 (UTC)
William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

> On 2018-08-28, Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:41:35 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
> >  
> >> where is "Switch User"  
> >
> >
> > Application menu (blue Mageia globe in Panel) /Power, Session/
> > Switch user  
> 
> Sorry, I must be blind. I have nothing in the application menu
> refering to Power. Or Session. The items are
> internet, office, graphics, Sound&video,tools, development,
> games,education, sciences.
> 
It's probably a function of either your greeter or your chosen panel.
On the LXDE panel it is on the logout icon.  Clicking it gets a menu
with several options.  Switch user is one.  That said, I do use  the
LXDM login manager, too. Other horses probably run different courses.

Naturally, it doesn't really switch users, but starts an new display
for the new user and Ctrl-Alt-Function-number(7-12 for Debian)> get one
back to the other user(s).

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
My other computer is a HOLMES IV 

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#19499

On 2018-08-28, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:05:41 -0000 (UTC)
> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2018-08-28, Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:41:35 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>> >  
>> >> where is "Switch User"  
>> >
>> >
>> > Application menu (blue Mageia globe in Panel) /Power, Session/
>> > Switch user  
>> 
>> Sorry, I must be blind. I have nothing in the application menu
>> refering to Power. Or Session. The items are
>> internet, office, graphics, Sound&video,tools, development,
>> games,education, sciences.
>> 
> It's probably a function of either your greeter or your chosen panel.
> On the LXDE panel it is on the logout icon.  Clicking it gets a menu

Sddm, and plasma. The logout screen simply logs out. No options. 

> with several options.  Switch user is one.  That said, I do use  the
> LXDM login manager, too. Other horses probably run different courses.
>
> Naturally, it doesn't really switch users, but starts an new display
> for the new user and Ctrl-Alt-Function-number(7-12 for Debian)> get one
> back to the other user(s).
>
> Cybe R. Wizard

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#19501

On 8/28/18 10:52 PM, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2018-08-28, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:05:41 -0000 (UTC)
>> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-08-28, Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:41:35 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>> where is "Switch User"  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Application menu (blue Mageia globe in Panel) /Power, Session/
>>>> Switch user  
>>>
>>> Sorry, I must be blind. I have nothing in the application menu
>>> refering to Power. Or Session. The items are
>>> internet, office, graphics, Sound&video,tools, development,
>>> games,education, sciences.
>>>
>> It's probably a function of either your greeter or your chosen panel.
>> On the LXDE panel it is on the logout icon.  Clicking it gets a menu
> 
> Sddm, and plasma. The logout screen simply logs out. No options. 

From an unlocked plasma session, click on the start menu, select "Leave"
and from there "Switch User".

How it looks in sddm I'm not sure as I'm still using KDM and in the
process of converting my multi seat configuration to LightDM, but
nowadays even sddm has support for multi seated setup.

-- 

 //Aho

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#19503

On 2018-08-29, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
> On 8/28/18 10:52 PM, William Unruh wrote:
>> On 2018-08-28, Cybe R. Wizard <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:05:41 -0000 (UTC)
>>> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-08-28, Maurice <maurice@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:41:35 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>>> where is "Switch User"  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Application menu (blue Mageia globe in Panel) /Power, Session/
>>>>> Switch user  
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I must be blind. I have nothing in the application menu
>>>> refering to Power. Or Session. The items are
>>>> internet, office, graphics, Sound&video,tools, development,
>>>> games,education, sciences.
>>>>
>>> It's probably a function of either your greeter or your chosen panel.
>>> On the LXDE panel it is on the logout icon.  Clicking it gets a menu
>> 
>> Sddm, and plasma. The logout screen simply logs out. No options. 
>
> From an unlocked plasma session, click on the start menu, select "Leave"
> and from there "Switch User".

Sorry, no such option. There are 4 options, (logout, suspend, reboot,
poweroff), and no switch user.

Mageia 6, sddm-0.14.0,
or 
>
> How it looks in sddm I'm not sure as I'm still using KDM and in the
> process of converting my multi seat configuration to LightDM, but
> nowadays even sddm has support for multi seated setup.
>

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#19513

On 8/29/18 2:17 PM, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2018-08-29, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:

>> From an unlocked plasma session, click on the start menu, select "Leave"
>> and from there "Switch User".
> 
> Sorry, no such option. There are 4 options, (logout, suspend, reboot,
> poweroff), and no switch user.

Then you disabled something, as this been default for all distributions
I have run with KDE, in older versions it has been linked to the power
management service.


> Mageia 6, sddm-0.14.0,
> or 
>>
>> How it looks in sddm I'm not sure as I'm still using KDM and in the
>> process of converting my multi seat configuration to LightDM, but
>> nowadays even sddm has support for multi seated setup.

Just configure your ssdm to start two seats instead of just one, then
you can decide she gets the first one and you take the other one, but of
course then you won't have this to whine about ;)

-- 

 //Aho

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#19515

On 2018-08-29, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
> On 8/29/18 2:17 PM, William Unruh wrote:
>> On 2018-08-29, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>
>>> From an unlocked plasma session, click on the start menu, select "Leave"
>>> and from there "Switch User".
>> 
>> Sorry, no such option. There are 4 options, (logout, suspend, reboot,
>> poweroff), and no switch user.
>
> Then you disabled something, as this been default for all distributions
> I have run with KDE, in older versions it has been linked to the power
> management service.
>
>
>> Mageia 6, sddm-0.14.0,
>> or 
>>>
>>> How it looks in sddm I'm not sure as I'm still using KDM and in the
>>> process of converting my multi seat configuration to LightDM, but
>>> nowadays even sddm has support for multi seated setup.
>
> Just configure your ssdm to start two seats instead of just one, then
> you can decide she gets the first one and you take the other one, but of
> course then you won't have this to whine about ;)

How do you tell sddm to start two seats? I have never seen that option.

>

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#19516

On 8/30/18 1:32 AM, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2018-08-29, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>> On 8/29/18 2:17 PM, William Unruh wrote:
>>> On 2018-08-29, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> From an unlocked plasma session, click on the start menu, select "Leave"
>>>> and from there "Switch User".
>>>
>>> Sorry, no such option. There are 4 options, (logout, suspend, reboot,
>>> poweroff), and no switch user.
>>
>> Then you disabled something, as this been default for all distributions
>> I have run with KDE, in older versions it has been linked to the power
>> management service.
>>
>>
>>> Mageia 6, sddm-0.14.0,
>>> or 
>>>>
>>>> How it looks in sddm I'm not sure as I'm still using KDM and in the
>>>> process of converting my multi seat configuration to LightDM, but
>>>> nowadays even sddm has support for multi seated setup.
>>
>> Just configure your ssdm to start two seats instead of just one, then
>> you can decide she gets the first one and you take the other one, but of
>> course then you won't have this to whine about ;)
> 
> How do you tell sddm to start two seats? I have never seen that option.

You have a starting point on this page (see bottom):
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multiseat

It's not a simple as it used to be with KDM, you need to play with udev
rules and logind (if you use the systemd).

LightDM do have better support for multi-seat than sddm.

-- 

 //Aho

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#19517

On 2018-08-30, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
> On 8/30/18 1:32 AM, William Unruh wrote:
>> On 2018-08-29, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>>> On 8/29/18 2:17 PM, William Unruh wrote:
>>>> On 2018-08-29, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> From an unlocked plasma session, click on the start menu, select "Leave"
>>>>> and from there "Switch User".
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, no such option. There are 4 options, (logout, suspend, reboot,
>>>> poweroff), and no switch user.
>>>
>>> Then you disabled something, as this been default for all distributions
>>> I have run with KDE, in older versions it has been linked to the power
>>> management service.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mageia 6, sddm-0.14.0,
>>>> or 
>>>>>
>>>>> How it looks in sddm I'm not sure as I'm still using KDM and in the
>>>>> process of converting my multi seat configuration to LightDM, but
>>>>> nowadays even sddm has support for multi seated setup.
>>>
>>> Just configure your ssdm to start two seats instead of just one, then
>>> you can decide she gets the first one and you take the other one, but of
>>> course then you won't have this to whine about ;)
>> 
>> How do you tell sddm to start two seats? I have never seen that option.
>
> You have a starting point on this page (see bottom):
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multiseat
>
> It's not a simple as it used to be with KDM, you need to play with udev
> rules and logind (if you use the systemd).
>
> LightDM do have better support for multi-seat than sddm.

Ah. Many consoles. I have only one screen and keyboard, multiple people
use it, just not at the same time. 

>

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#19519

On 8/30/18 7:41 AM, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2018-08-30, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>> On 8/30/18 1:32 AM, William Unruh wrote:
>>> On 2018-08-29, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>> On 8/29/18 2:17 PM, William Unruh wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-08-29, J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> From an unlocked plasma session, click on the start menu, select "Leave"
>>>>>> and from there "Switch User".
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, no such option. There are 4 options, (logout, suspend, reboot,
>>>>> poweroff), and no switch user.
>>>>
>>>> Then you disabled something, as this been default for all distributions
>>>> I have run with KDE, in older versions it has been linked to the power
>>>> management service.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Mageia 6, sddm-0.14.0,
>>>>> or 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How it looks in sddm I'm not sure as I'm still using KDM and in the
>>>>>> process of converting my multi seat configuration to LightDM, but
>>>>>> nowadays even sddm has support for multi seated setup.
>>>>
>>>> Just configure your ssdm to start two seats instead of just one, then
>>>> you can decide she gets the first one and you take the other one, but of
>>>> course then you won't have this to whine about ;)
>>>
>>> How do you tell sddm to start two seats? I have never seen that option.
>>
>> You have a starting point on this page (see bottom):
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multiseat
>>
>> It's not a simple as it used to be with KDM, you need to play with udev
>> rules and logind (if you use the systemd).
>>
>> LightDM do have better support for multi-seat than sddm.
> 
> Ah. Many consoles. I have only one screen and keyboard, multiple people
> use it, just not at the same time. 

Same as me, except no one uses the consoles.

-- 

 //Aho

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#19522

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 05:41:35 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

> I have only one screen and keyboard, multiple people use it, just not at
> the same time.


+1. So Multiple Seating not solution.

Regards,
-- 
/\/\aurice
(Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email)

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#19524

On 8/31/18 12:07 PM, Maurice wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 05:41:35 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
> 
>> I have only one screen and keyboard, multiple people use it, just not at
>> the same time.
> 
> 
> +1. So Multiple Seating not solution.

Multi seat has noting to do with number of screens or keyboards. A less
permanent version of multi seat is the extra xsession started by "switch
user", so if multi seat not the option, then "switch user" ain't the
option either.

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On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:05:41 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

>  sciences.

It's at the end of that list here, right after 'Sciences'!

Good hunting...
 
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