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| First post | 2015-07-21 08:08 -0700 |
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OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-21 08:08 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-07-22 01:00 +0000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2015-07-24 13:42 +0100
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Mike Albanese <allegrippus@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 13:42 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-26 20:15 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy jmreno <none@nowhere.com> - 2015-07-27 00:22 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-27 14:08 +0000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-27 10:00 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-07-27 15:08 +0000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-07-27 17:41 +0000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-28 00:21 +0000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-07-27 21:42 -0600
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-27 23:17 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-07-28 03:30 -0300
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-07-28 08:19 -0600
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-28 09:40 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-28 12:09 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-28 10:43 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-29 10:45 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-30 12:29 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-01 23:05 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-29 10:56 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-07-29 02:35 +0200
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-28 20:17 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-28 12:34 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-28 13:35 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-07-29 11:18 -0400
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-29 11:01 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-28 14:24 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-28 19:47 +0000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-07-28 13:16 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-28 15:57 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-30 11:58 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-30 14:36 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-30 19:42 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-07-30 22:06 -0600
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-31 12:14 +0000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-07-31 07:10 -0600
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-01 12:36 +0000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 05:55 +1000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Tom Dadey <tomdzip1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 13:10 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 09:24 +1000
Re: OT: franchises, was A&P supermarket bankruptcy John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-03 00:42 +0000
Re: OT: franchises, was A&P supermarket bankruptcy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 14:54 +1000
Re: OT: franchises, was A&P supermarket bankruptcy hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-03 19:43 -0700
Re: OT: franchises, was A&P supermarket bankruptcy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-04 13:38 +0000
Re: OT: franchises, was A&P supermarket bankruptcy hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 08:10 -0700
Re: OT: franchises, was A&P supermarket bankruptcy JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 18:45 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-01 15:22 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-02 09:14 +1000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-01 14:24 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-03 13:36 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-02 07:59 +1000
toilet paper, was: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-07-30 20:23 +0000
Re: toilet paper, was: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-31 09:14 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-30 14:56 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-30 23:18 +0000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-31 14:05 +1000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-31 09:48 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-31 18:00 +0000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-31 17:47 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-07-30 16:20 +1000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 16:31 +1000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-30 11:50 +0000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 06:40 +1000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-30 16:57 -0500
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 13:56 +1000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-31 12:13 +0000
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-07-27 23:01 -0400
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-07-28 02:27 -0400
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-27 07:40 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-27 07:45 -0700
Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-07-27 07:54 -0700
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 17:47 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy |
| Message-ID | <mn5ora9ov8ptuooaujrt3s4gor666b996r@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #149178 |
On 31 Jul 2015 18:00:54 GMT, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
wrote:
[snip]
>That's probably true, although the temptation for a new manager to try
>to make his mark by changing something before analyzing the situation
>must sometimes be awfully strong.
>
>Or maybe I've just been reading too much Dilbert:
>http://dilbert.com/strip/1994-09-07
I like that one. Even the PHB is scared, and for a good reason,
too.
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| From | "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-30 16:20 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy |
| Message-ID | <d1tu2bFojbdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148999 |
"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message news:mp6vlb$32p$1@dont-email.me... > On 27-Jul-15 22:42, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: >> I don't have much interest in going to half a dozen small stores to >> get food to make tonight's dinner. Yeah, I should be better about >> planning meals far enough in advance that I'm not going to the store >> every day or so.... but I'm not. My wife and I have tried, and we >> just don't think that way. > > I'm not sure this is the real problem. > > I have several supermarkets around, and they all seem significantly > larger than necessary. Can't agree with that at all. What a surprise I hear you all howl. > You could easily toss half to three quarters of what > they stock and nobody would miss it; if anything, Bullshit. > I'd appreciate not having to choose between fifty varieties of ketchup. None have anything like 50 and I like to have a good choice and have in fact seen them dump what I chose to buy with both marmalade which has something like 40 or so varieties available, and with relish as well which has rather less choice than that. I ended up making my own because they no longer stocked the one I wanted to buy. > I'd bet that a handful account for most sales, I don’t believe that with something as thoroughly researched as supermarket stocking is. > so why waste space on the rest? Because it isn't actually wasted at all. > Also, Kroger recently replaced their store here with one twice the size; > there is a new organic food section, but the other food sections are > unchanged or even slightly smaller. All of the added space is devoted > to clothing, jewelry, furniture and other non-food items. I suppose > that's only fair since Walmart and Target added grocery sections, but > such diversification means ever-larger stores that are more difficult to > navigate and less good at any particular thing. Now, CVS and Walgreens > are evolving into grocery stores because the real grocery stores are > getting so difficult to shop at and seem not to care about actual > groceries anymore. Argh! One of our majors has always had separate stores for the food type stuff and the other stuff like clothes etc, usually side by side.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-30 16:31 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy |
| Message-ID | <d1tulmFonttU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #148998 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00051BEE84810BE9@aca41479.ipt.aol.com... > Joe Pfeiffer wrote: >> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >> >>> John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote: >>>>>> I'm not sure it's a trend, but one local chain opened a smaller >>>>>> version > of >>>>>> their regular supermarket downtown, so it's in walking distance of a >>>>>> lot > of >>>>>> people. >>>>> >>>>> This is commonplace in the UK. Large supermarket chains opening >>>>> "corner >>>>> stores" >>>> >>>> Tesco (the largest supermarket chain in the UK) set up a chain of >>>> small stores a decade ago in the western US called Fresh & Easy. It >>>> was a total flop, lost them £2 billion, went bankrupt in 2013 and they >>>> sold them to Yucaipa, a private equity company that happens to own a >>>> large share of what's left of A&P. >>>> >>>> When I looked at Fresh & Easy stores, they seemed entirely reasonable >>>> little groceries. Dunno why Americans don't like them. The year I >>>> lived in England I certainly bought a lot of stuff from the small >>>> Tesco, Sainsbury, M&S, and Co-op stores when I didn't want to schlep >>>> out to the big ones. >>> >>> I don't know where in the "western US", but it's very hard to get >>> Californians out of their cars. This sort of thing only works in urban >>> areas where the store is in easy walking distance and the customers are >>> middle-class or so. This limits the market, although such areas are >>> increasing. >> >> I don't have much interest in going to half a dozen small stores to get >> food to make tonight's dinner. Yeah, I should be better about planning >> meals far enough in advance that I'm not going to the store every day or >> so.... but I'm not. My wife and I have tried, and we just don't think >> that way. > I make one supper and eat it for n days. I don’t do that for n consecutive days, too boring. With some stuff like currys I do make a decent sized batch, eat the first one freshly made and put the rest into meal sized small plastic lidded containers in the freezer. Cook just enough rice for a single meal and do one of those each time one of the containers is used from the freezer. > A whole chicken will last for more than a week. Doesn’t last that long for me, but I don’t eat them very often. Leg of lamb is much more common and that does provide something like 6-8 meals, the first one straight from the oven and the rest cold sliced meat with a roast potato done in one of those glass bowel convection ovens after dipping the potato in olive oil, with peas, corn capsicum and relish with just the slices of meat cold on a hot plate. > A crock pot of something will also last a week. Still haven't gotten around to using the crockpots/slow cookers I got at garage sales, mainly because it’s a mostly winter meal for me. Must get off my arse, just one month more of winter left. >> There have been a couple of butchers and fruit/vegetable stores through >> the years that have been enough better than Albertson's to get me to >> change my habits, but apparently they didn't get enough other people to >> do the same to stay in business. > > There are butchers here. One place makes great breakfast sausages. > Another place has the best pork chops. It took a while to discover > these features.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-30 11:50 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy |
| Message-ID | <PM00051C16275C22FF@aca40d24.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #149074 |
Rod Speed wrote: > > > "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > news:PM00051BEE84810BE9@aca41479.ipt.aol.com... >> Joe Pfeiffer wrote: >>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >>> >>>> John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I'm not sure it's a trend, but one local chain opened a smaller >>>>>>> version >> of >>>>>>> their regular supermarket downtown, so it's in walking distance of a >>>>>>> lot >> of >>>>>>> people. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is commonplace in the UK. Large supermarket chains opening >>>>>> "corner >>>>>> stores" >>>>> >>>>> Tesco (the largest supermarket chain in the UK) set up a chain of >>>>> small stores a decade ago in the western US called Fresh & Easy. It >>>>> was a total flop, lost them £2 billion, went bankrupt in 2013 and they >>>>> sold them to Yucaipa, a private equity company that happens to own a >>>>> large share of what's left of A&P. >>>>> >>>>> When I looked at Fresh & Easy stores, they seemed entirely reasonable >>>>> little groceries. Dunno why Americans don't like them. The year I >>>>> lived in England I certainly bought a lot of stuff from the small >>>>> Tesco, Sainsbury, M&S, and Co-op stores when I didn't want to schlep >>>>> out to the big ones. >>>> >>>> I don't know where in the "western US", but it's very hard to get >>>> Californians out of their cars. This sort of thing only works in urban >>>> areas where the store is in easy walking distance and the customers are >>>> middle-class or so. This limits the market, although such areas are >>>> increasing. >>> >>> I don't have much interest in going to half a dozen small stores to get >>> food to make tonight's dinner. Yeah, I should be better about planning >>> meals far enough in advance that I'm not going to the store every day or >>> so.... but I'm not. My wife and I have tried, and we just don't think >>> that way. > >> I make one supper and eat it for n days. > > I don’t do that for n consecutive days, too boring. > > With some stuff like currys I do make a decent sized batch, eat > the first one freshly made and put the rest into meal sized small > plastic lidded containers in the freezer. Cook just enough rice > for a single meal and do one of those each time one of the > containers is used from the freezer. <snip> The goal is to not have to cook. If I have rice with the entree, I cook enough rice and vegetables for the entire batch. /BAH
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 06:40 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy |
| Message-ID | <d1vgd7F6u6dU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #149082 |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00051C16275C22FF@aca40d24.ipt.aol.com... > Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:PM00051BEE84810BE9@aca41479.ipt.aol.com... >>> Joe Pfeiffer wrote: >>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's a trend, but one local chain opened a smaller >>>>>>>> version >>> of >>>>>>>> their regular supermarket downtown, so it's in walking distance of >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> lot >>> of >>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is commonplace in the UK. Large supermarket chains opening >>>>>>> "corner >>>>>>> stores" >>>>>> >>>>>> Tesco (the largest supermarket chain in the UK) set up a chain of >>>>>> small stores a decade ago in the western US called Fresh & Easy. It >>>>>> was a total flop, lost them £2 billion, went bankrupt in 2013 and >>>>>> they >>>>>> sold them to Yucaipa, a private equity company that happens to own a >>>>>> large share of what's left of A&P. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I looked at Fresh & Easy stores, they seemed entirely reasonable >>>>>> little groceries. Dunno why Americans don't like them. The year I >>>>>> lived in England I certainly bought a lot of stuff from the small >>>>>> Tesco, Sainsbury, M&S, and Co-op stores when I didn't want to schlep >>>>>> out to the big ones. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know where in the "western US", but it's very hard to get >>>>> Californians out of their cars. This sort of thing only works in >>>>> urban >>>>> areas where the store is in easy walking distance and the customers >>>>> are >>>>> middle-class or so. This limits the market, although such areas are >>>>> increasing. >>>> >>>> I don't have much interest in going to half a dozen small stores to get >>>> food to make tonight's dinner. Yeah, I should be better about planning >>>> meals far enough in advance that I'm not going to the store every day >>>> or >>>> so.... but I'm not. My wife and I have tried, and we just don't think >>>> that way. >> >>> I make one supper and eat it for n days. >> >> I don’t do that for n consecutive days, too boring. >> >> With some stuff like currys I do make a decent sized batch, eat >> the first one freshly made and put the rest into meal sized small >> plastic lidded containers in the freezer. Cook just enough rice >> for a single meal and do one of those each time one of the >> containers is used from the freezer. > > <snip> > The goal is to not have to cook. Its completely trivial to cook rice once you work out how to do it in the microwave. Just weight the rice, weigh the water, punch in the 2 phase stuff into the microwave, wait for it to beep when its done. > If I have rice with the entree, I cook enough > rice and vegetables for the entire batch. You still have to heat it up when you eat each bit of the batch. Doesn’t take any more effort to cook the rice from scratch.
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| From | Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-30 16:57 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy |
| Message-ID | <mpe6in$cn6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #149116 |
On 7/30/2015 3:40 PM, Rod Speed wrote: > > > "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > news:PM00051C16275C22FF@aca40d24.ipt.aol.com... >> Rod Speed wrote: >>> >>> >>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:PM00051BEE84810BE9@aca41479.ipt.aol.com... >>>> Joe Pfeiffer wrote: >>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's a trend, but one local chain opened a smaller >>>>>>>>> version >>>> of >>>>>>>>> their regular supermarket downtown, so it's in walking >>>>>>>>> distance of a >>>>>>>>> lot >>>> of >>>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is commonplace in the UK. Large supermarket chains opening >>>>>>>> "corner >>>>>>>> stores" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tesco (the largest supermarket chain in the UK) set up a chain of >>>>>>> small stores a decade ago in the western US called Fresh & >>>>>>> Easy. It >>>>>>> was a total flop, lost them £2 billion, went bankrupt in 2013 >>>>>>> and they >>>>>>> sold them to Yucaipa, a private equity company that happens to >>>>>>> own a >>>>>>> large share of what's left of A&P. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I looked at Fresh & Easy stores, they seemed entirely >>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>> little groceries. Dunno why Americans don't like them. The >>>>>>> year I >>>>>>> lived in England I certainly bought a lot of stuff from the small >>>>>>> Tesco, Sainsbury, M&S, and Co-op stores when I didn't want to >>>>>>> schlep >>>>>>> out to the big ones. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know where in the "western US", but it's very hard to get >>>>>> Californians out of their cars. This sort of thing only works >>>>>> in urban >>>>>> areas where the store is in easy walking distance and the >>>>>> customers are >>>>>> middle-class or so. This limits the market, although such areas >>>>>> are >>>>>> increasing. >>>>> >>>>> I don't have much interest in going to half a dozen small stores >>>>> to get >>>>> food to make tonight's dinner. Yeah, I should be better about >>>>> planning >>>>> meals far enough in advance that I'm not going to the store every >>>>> day or >>>>> so.... but I'm not. My wife and I have tried, and we just don't >>>>> think >>>>> that way. >>> >>>> I make one supper and eat it for n days. >>> >>> I don’t do that for n consecutive days, too boring. >>> >>> With some stuff like currys I do make a decent sized batch, eat >>> the first one freshly made and put the rest into meal sized small >>> plastic lidded containers in the freezer. Cook just enough rice >>> for a single meal and do one of those each time one of the >>> containers is used from the freezer. >> >> <snip> > >> The goal is to not have to cook. > > Its completely trivial to cook rice once you work out how > to do it in the microwave. Just weight the rice, weigh the > water, punch in the 2 phase stuff into the microwave, wait > for it to beep when its done. It's even easier with a rice cooker. You put the rice and water in by volume and push the switch. Go away and do something else, when it's ready it'll switch to "keep warm" and be waiting for you, the fancier ones will sound a signal when it's done. Works by sensing the temperature rise when the liquid water is used up and switching to "warm". >> If I have rice with the entree, I cook enough >> rice and vegetables for the entire batch. > > You still have to heat it up when you eat each bit of the batch. > Doesn’t take any more effort to cook the rice from scratch.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 13:56 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy |
| Message-ID | <d209uqFckhoU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #149121 |
"Dave Garland" <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message news:mpe6in$cn6$1@dont-email.me... > On 7/30/2015 3:40 PM, Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:PM00051C16275C22FF@aca40d24.ipt.aol.com... >>> Rod Speed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:PM00051BEE84810BE9@aca41479.ipt.aol.com... >>>>> Joe Pfeiffer wrote: >>>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's a trend, but one local chain opened a smaller >>>>>>>>>> version >>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> their regular supermarket downtown, so it's in walking >>>>>>>>>> distance of a >>>>>>>>>> lot >>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is commonplace in the UK. Large supermarket chains opening >>>>>>>>> "corner >>>>>>>>> stores" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tesco (the largest supermarket chain in the UK) set up a chain of >>>>>>>> small stores a decade ago in the western US called Fresh & >>>>>>>> Easy. It >>>>>>>> was a total flop, lost them £2 billion, went bankrupt in 2013 >>>>>>>> and they >>>>>>>> sold them to Yucaipa, a private equity company that happens to >>>>>>>> own a >>>>>>>> large share of what's left of A&P. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When I looked at Fresh & Easy stores, they seemed entirely >>>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>>> little groceries. Dunno why Americans don't like them. The >>>>>>>> year I >>>>>>>> lived in England I certainly bought a lot of stuff from the small >>>>>>>> Tesco, Sainsbury, M&S, and Co-op stores when I didn't want to >>>>>>>> schlep >>>>>>>> out to the big ones. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know where in the "western US", but it's very hard to get >>>>>>> Californians out of their cars. This sort of thing only works >>>>>>> in urban >>>>>>> areas where the store is in easy walking distance and the >>>>>>> customers are >>>>>>> middle-class or so. This limits the market, although such areas >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> increasing. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't have much interest in going to half a dozen small stores >>>>>> to get >>>>>> food to make tonight's dinner. Yeah, I should be better about >>>>>> planning >>>>>> meals far enough in advance that I'm not going to the store every >>>>>> day or >>>>>> so.... but I'm not. My wife and I have tried, and we just don't >>>>>> think >>>>>> that way. >>>> >>>>> I make one supper and eat it for n days. >>>> >>>> I don’t do that for n consecutive days, too boring. >>>> >>>> With some stuff like currys I do make a decent sized batch, eat >>>> the first one freshly made and put the rest into meal sized small >>>> plastic lidded containers in the freezer. Cook just enough rice >>>> for a single meal and do one of those each time one of the >>>> containers is used from the freezer. >>> >>> <snip> >> >>> The goal is to not have to cook. >> >> Its completely trivial to cook rice once you work out how >> to do it in the microwave. Just weight the rice, weigh the >> water, punch in the 2 phase stuff into the microwave, wait >> for it to beep when its done. > It's even easier with a rice cooker. Trouble with those is that they don’t work so well for people doing a single meal for just one person. > You put the rice and water in by volume No different to the microwave tho I prefer to do it by weight, easier to do and more accurate. I do the rice in a rigid plastic container with a lid and put that on a plate because it does boil over a bit in the initial burst of full power. That container has the microwaved curry from the freezer added and the whole curry meal is eaten from that with a splayd. www.google.com/search?q=splayd&tbm=isch > and push the switch. Its only marginally more to program the microwave, first phase 2 mins on high, second phase 10 mins on mid-low. > Go away and do something else, Same with the microwave. > when it's ready it'll switch to "keep warm" and be waiting > for you, the fancier ones will sound a signal when it's done. So does the microwave. > Works by sensing the temperature rise when the > liquid water is used up and switching to "warm". Some microwaves will do that too, I chose one that doesn’t. >>> If I have rice with the entree, I cook enough >>> rice and vegetables for the entire batch. >> You still have to heat it up when you eat each bit of the batch. >> Doesn’t take any more effort to cook the rice from scratch.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-31 12:13 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy |
| Message-ID | <PM00051C2AA39AC35B@aca24c3a.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #149116 |
Rod Speed wrote: > > > "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message > news:PM00051C16275C22FF@aca40d24.ipt.aol.com... >> Rod Speed wrote: >>> >>> >>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:PM00051BEE84810BE9@aca41479.ipt.aol.com... >>>> Joe Pfeiffer wrote: >>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's a trend, but one local chain opened a smaller >>>>>>>>> version >>>> of >>>>>>>>> their regular supermarket downtown, so it's in walking distance of >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> lot >>>> of >>>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is commonplace in the UK. Large supermarket chains opening >>>>>>>> "corner >>>>>>>> stores" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tesco (the largest supermarket chain in the UK) set up a chain of >>>>>>> small stores a decade ago in the western US called Fresh & Easy. It >>>>>>> was a total flop, lost them £2 billion, went bankrupt in 2013 and >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> sold them to Yucaipa, a private equity company that happens to own a >>>>>>> large share of what's left of A&P. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I looked at Fresh & Easy stores, they seemed entirely reasonable >>>>>>> little groceries. Dunno why Americans don't like them. The year I >>>>>>> lived in England I certainly bought a lot of stuff from the small >>>>>>> Tesco, Sainsbury, M&S, and Co-op stores when I didn't want to schlep >>>>>>> out to the big ones. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know where in the "western US", but it's very hard to get >>>>>> Californians out of their cars. This sort of thing only works in >>>>>> urban >>>>>> areas where the store is in easy walking distance and the customers >>>>>> are >>>>>> middle-class or so. This limits the market, although such areas are >>>>>> increasing. >>>>> >>>>> I don't have much interest in going to half a dozen small stores to get >>>>> food to make tonight's dinner. Yeah, I should be better about planning >>>>> meals far enough in advance that I'm not going to the store every day >>>>> or >>>>> so.... but I'm not. My wife and I have tried, and we just don't think >>>>> that way. >>> >>>> I make one supper and eat it for n days. >>> >>> I don’t do that for n consecutive days, too boring. >>> >>> With some stuff like currys I do make a decent sized batch, eat >>> the first one freshly made and put the rest into meal sized small >>> plastic lidded containers in the freezer. Cook just enough rice >>> for a single meal and do one of those each time one of the >>> containers is used from the freezer. >> >> <snip> > >> The goal is to not have to cook. > > Its completely trivial to cook rice once you work out how > to do it in the microwave. Just weight the rice, weigh the > water, punch in the 2 phase stuff into the microwave, wait > for it to beep when its done. It still takes body energy. To minimize energy expenditure, I cook a large amount once and then reheat for the meal. > >> If I have rice with the entree, I cook enough >> rice and vegetables for the entire batch. > > You still have to heat it up when you eat each bit of the batch. > Doesn’t take any more effort to cook the rice from scratch. >
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-07-27 23:01 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: OT: A&P supermarket bankruptcy |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1507272255080.18607@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #148976 |
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015, Huge wrote: > On 2015-07-27, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote: > > [26 lines snipped] > >> I'm not sure it's a trend, but one local chain opened a smaller version of >> their regular supermarket downtown, so it's in walking distance of a lot of >> people. > > This is commonplace in the UK. Large supermarket chains opening "corner > stores" > There's a saturation for large stores, if nothing else they are too costly to be everywhere. But a small store likely extends the business. The big grocery chain here in Canada bought one of the largest drugstore chains. Since the drugstore chain's stores were often like small convenience stores they were already selling a lot of food. So now the grocery chain doesn't have that competition, but can use the drustores to carry a selective subset of their products. It's just been a few years, but already the grocery chain's brands have moved into the drugstore chain (which lost its own brands when it came to food), and there is a better selection of food. But we have a hiking store here in Canada that's kind of like REI in the US, right down to being a coop. It took a long time, but now they have stores in all the major centers. But they aren't always in convenient locations. So after opening the first Montreal store about 2004, and then another one off-island which is perhaps fairly accessible for many on the island, they opened a "boutique" a couple of years ago in downtown Montreal. Not that appealing, and lacking actual hiking equipment, but it gets a more accessible store at a time when the ony way to grow the chain is to widen the coverage to things like yoga, so the boutique covers that sort of thing. Michael
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| From | sidd@situ.com (sidd) |
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| Date | 2015-07-28 02:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mp77d1$2do$1@Lazarus.situ.com> |
| In reply to | #148959 |
In article <acee7204-d454-4352-88d1-4ddbb25000e5@googlegroups.com>, Mike Albanese <allegrippus@gmail.com> wrote: > > >I worked for an A&P division in west-central PA as my first "real" job afte= >r college. There was some recession going on in the 1970's, so I decided to= > grab an available "EDP" operations job at A&P rather than wait for an entr= >y-level programmer opportunity to open up someplace else. After all, A&P wa= >s established, well-known, and would be around for a long time, right? :-)= >=20 > >There were three operators, one for each shift, and we cross-trained and ro= >tated weekly (nasty!). Configuration was a small System/360 with card reade= >r, line printer, and three 2311 disk units -- 25MB each (later upgraded by = >IBM to 50MB with the ol' "head activation" trick). Computer room was a rais= >ed platform, glass-walled affair where everyone could look in and watch us = >continually changing disk packs, printer forms, etc. And management could v= >erify that we were actually working, ha. But we did have the benefit of the= > only modern-looking room in the entire building, as well as our own huge E= >DPAC air conditioner alongside the back wall. No programming (other than JC= >L setup) was done at the division level. Instead, object decks were prepare= >d and sent out from the main office in Piscataway, NJ. > >We polled orders during night shift when stores were closed and phone rates= > were cheaper (Ma Bell at that time). The 360 would initiate an autodial to= > each store and, if the store manager had set up his MSI handheld unit prop= >erly, it would answer and transmit. Quite often there would either be line = >noise or the remote unit would not respond, requiring retries. A few store = >managers became notorious with us operators for habitually not having their= > units ready, thereby getting us into hot water with management because ord= >ers to the warehouse were being delayed (blame the little guy, yeah!). > >Usual morning shift was an hour or so verifying and cleaning up store order= >s (from the nightly polling log) and then printing pick lists for the wareh= >ouse. We'd also transmit orders to the Ann Page division in Horseheads, NY = >and then move along to billing and whatever business applications to be run= > for that day. Afternoon shift concentrated on compute-intensive tasks, lar= >ger reports (gross profit, etc.), and daily backups. > ... thanx sidd
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-07-27 07:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <33aff3dd-c12a-4734-af6d-6418cbab90e4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #148718 |
I remember an article in the Readers' Digest that claimed that, at the time, organized crime had obtained control of A&P. Unfortunately, I don't know when that was, or what came of it, but that would have contributed to its doom. John Savard
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-07-27 07:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6e5efb28-555d-452a-9dbc-91bdfd0627cd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #148969 |
On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 8:40:53 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote: > I remember an article in the Readers' Digest that claimed that, at the time, > organized crime had obtained control of A&P. > > Unfortunately, I don't know when that was, or what came of it, but that would > have contributed to its doom. A Google search failed to turn up information about this - but it did turn up that earlier A&P had been a heroic leader in the fight against organized crime, and that the murder of James Walsh still remains unavenged. John Savard
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| From | Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-07-27 07:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7759e56a-7f25-489c-b100-f0feeee41909@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #148970 |
On Monday, July 27, 2015 at 8:45:11 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote: > A Google search failed to turn up information about this - but it did turn up > that earlier A&P had been a heroic leader in the fight against organized crime, > and that the murder of James Walsh still remains unavenged. And a Readers' Digest article, "The Mafia War on the A&P" by Eugene Melvin chronicled that - this I've now been able to find. Did I have a confused memory of that article, or did the situation fail, and there is a later article that I don't quite remember? John Savard
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