Re: The joy of FORTH (not)

From	Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: The joy of FORTH (not)
Date	2024-10-26 09:10 -1000
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Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
> Then before I graduate, I'm hired fulltime into a small group in the
> Boeing CFO office to help with the consolidation of all dataprocessing
> into independent business unit. I though that Renton datacenter was
> possibly largest in the world, a couple hundred million in IBM 360
> stuff, 360/65s were arriving faster than they could be installed, boxes
> constantly being staged in the hallways around the machine room. Also a
> lot of politics betweeen Renton director and CFO who only had a 360/30
> up at Boeing field for payroll (although they enlarge the room to
> install a 360/67 for me to play with when I wasn't doing other stuff).

when I graduate, I join the science center (instead of staying with
Boeing CFO).

Later I transfer out to SJR, I get to wonder around silicon valley
datacenters, including disk bldgs 14 (engineering) and 15 (product test)
across the street. They were doing 7x24, prescheduled, stand-alone
testing and mention that they had recently tried MVS, but it had 15min
MTBF (in that environment). I offer to rewrite I/O supervisor so it is
bullet proof and never fails, so they can do any amount of on-demand,
concurrent testing, greatly improving productivity. Downside I had to
spend increasing amount of time playing disk engineer diagnosing
hardware development issues. Bldg15 gets early engineering systems for
disk I/O testing and got both 3033 and 4341. In jan1979 (well before
4341 customer ship), I get con'ed into doing benchmark on the 4341 for
national lab that was looking at getting 70 for a compute farm (sort of
the leading edge of the coming cluster supercomputing tsunami).

I also get con'ed into working with Jim Gray and Vera Watson on original
SQL/relational, System/R. Official next DBMS "EAGLE" was to be follow-on
to IMS ... and was able to do technology transfer to Endicott for SQL/DS
("under the radar" while the company was preoccupied with "EAGLE"). When
Jim leaves for Tandem, he tries to palm off a bunch of stuff including
supporting BofA which was in System/R joint study and getting 60 4341s,
sort of the leading edge of the coming distributed computing tsunami
(large corporations start ordering hundreds at a time for placing out in
departmental areas, inside IBM, conference were becoming in short supply
being converted to VM/4341 rooms). Note after "EAGLE" finally implodes,
there is a request for how fast could System/R be ported to
MVS. Eventually port is released as "DB2", originally for "decision
support" only.

Late 80s (decade after 4341 benchmark), got HA/6000 project, originally
for NYTimes to convert their newspaper system (ATEX) from DEC VAXcluster
to RS/6000. I rename it HA/CMP when I start doing technical/scientific
cluster scale-up with national labs and commercial cluster scale-up with
RDBMS vendors (Oracle, Sybase, Informix, and Ingres that have VAXCluser
support in same source base with UNIX; I do distributed lock manager
supporting VAXCluster semantics to ease the port). Early Jan1992, have
meeting with Oracle CEO and AWD/Hester tells Ellison that we would have
16-system clusters by mid92 and 128-system clusters by ye92. Then by end
of Jan1992 we get corporate kneecapping with cluster scale-up being
transferred for announce as IBM supercomputer (for technical/scientific
*ONLY*) and we are told we can't do anything with more than four
processors (we leave IBM shortly later).

trivia: email sent out possibly just hrs before the kneecapping,
referencing that IBM FSD had agreed to strategic HA/CMP cluster scale-up
(code name: MEDUSA) for gov. customers ...
alt.folklore.computers(/comp.arch) two decade old archived posting
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#3
with copy of the email
https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#email920129

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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  Re: The joy of FORTH p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 06:22 +0000
    Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 07:03 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-20 07:31 +0000
    Re: The joy of FORTH Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-20 19:00 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:37 +0000
        Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 01:33 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 03:30 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 06:51 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 08:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 07:55 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 20:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 15:16 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 23:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 00:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 01:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 04:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 04:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 09:59 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 14:48 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 22:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 15:36 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:33 +0300
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 06:45 +0300
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:54 +0000
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                Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 20:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 21:23 -0400
                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 19:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 21:58 -0400
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 02:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-26 16:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 05:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 07:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-28 08:04 -0700
                Re: The joy of SQL Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-28 11:33 -0400
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                Re: The joy of SQL Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-28 14:14 -0400
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-28 21:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-29 01:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-29 05:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 02:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:07 +0100
                Re: The joy of SQL Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-26 16:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 18:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL Mister Johnson <root@example.net> - 2024-10-27 13:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 13:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-27 18:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-28 02:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of SQL rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 17:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 05:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:08 +0100
                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 18:01 +0000
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                Re: The joy of Ada Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of Ada rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-10-24 14:52 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-24 14:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) magardner2010 <magardner2010@gmail.com> - 2024-10-25 19:55 +0300
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                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-25 03:24 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-22 16:07 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 23:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 08:04 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 20:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 14:36 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 23:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-24 17:13 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 01:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 01:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-25 17:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-25 17:16 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-26 04:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-25 22:59 -1000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 09:10 -1000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-26 12:35 -1000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-26 02:18 +0000
                Re: Little old machines, The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-26 13:25 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-26 02:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-25 18:48 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-26 06:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-26 11:05 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-25 11:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-24 00:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 00:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 04:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 22:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2024-10-23 22:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 00:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-23 22:13 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 03:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-24 05:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTH (not) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-24 08:03 -0700
                Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-24 23:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-10-25 08:37 +0200
                Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-25 07:07 -0400
                Re: The joy of Stick-shifts David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2024-10-25 13:14 +0100
                Re: The joy of Stick-shifts Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-10-25 15:58 +0200
                Re: The joy of Stick-shifts David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2024-10-25 15:41 +0100
                Re: The joy of Stick-shifts scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-25 14:02 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-21 03:59 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-24 21:46 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-24 22:29 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) Marc Olschok <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-10-27 20:30 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-25 00:00 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:41 +0100
            Re: The joy of FORTH (not) "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-25 17:40 +0100
  Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 08:03 -0700

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