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Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally

From Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally
Date 2015-07-07 10:14 -0700
Organization Wheeler&Wheeler
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
> however, the "stand-in" justification then has mandated all sorts of
> other problems. The "secure hash" for magstripe validation as part of
> "stand-in" ... had to require that the card associations have a copy of
> each BIN's secret key ... and it had to be BIN-level ... since there was
> no way for card assocations to manage account level secrets (aka they
> have a table of secrets for every BIN ... but its impractical for the
> card assocation processing to have a table entry for every account in
> the world).

a little further ... card association implementations have significant
amount of (security, verification and other) processing done at
point-of-sale ... with the POS terminal then generating a payment
network transactions that conforms as closely as possible with existing
card association processing ... maintaining their relavance. It also
results in at least two different kinds of processing 1) that with such
POS processing for card-present, & cardholder processing and 2)
everything else ... including internet.

one of the twists in the transaction standard in the x9a10 financial
standard working group was that individual could have two different
accounts ... one was end-to-end strongly authenticated *ONLY* and the
other was current processing. evesdropping/skimming/breaches of
transaction information for end-to-end *only* account wasn't subject to
crooks using information for new, fraudulent transaction. That allowed
such transaction to flow thru current infrastructure ... but also could
flow directly over internet w/o needing card association ... it became
network infrastructure agnostic ... POS, internet, and other processing
becames identical.

the x9a10 financial standard allowed for strong security, lightweight
digital signature for end-to-end authentication ... where the user
digital signature can include integrity level information.  This allowd
for parameterized risk management on a transaction basis. The x9a10
financial standard also allowed for a 2nd digital signature with
known/registered integrity information for the environment of the
originating transaction. All of this was carefully crafted so that it
was lightweight enough (w/o sacrifying security and integrity) to flow
end-to-end through the existing card association infrastructure ... but
also be infrastructure agnostic and be able to flow threw end-to-end
through any infrastructure.

being infrastructure agnostic (as well as credit, debit, ach, etc
agnostic) obviously becomes potential threat to the status quo of the
existing card association operation.

ref:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html#x959
and
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/x959.html#aads

posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#3 Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#6 Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#7 Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#8 Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#9 Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#11 Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#12 Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#14 Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#17 Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#18 Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#20 Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2015f.html#21 Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally

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Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-27 14:10 -0700
  Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 08:08 +1000
    Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-28 15:38 -0500
      Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 07:01 +1000
    Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-07-01 20:45 +0000
      Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 08:08 +1000
        Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-07-02 00:01 +0000
          Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 10:39 +1000
      Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-01 16:41 -0700
        Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 10:42 +1000
        Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-03 12:55 -0700
          Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-04 08:48 -0700
  Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-06-28 15:46 +0000
    Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-06-28 16:04 +0000
      Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-06-29 08:22 +0200
    Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 06:56 +1000
      Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-06-29 12:15 +0000
        Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-06-29 16:17 +0200
          Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 10:22 -0500
            Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-06-29 10:30 -0500
              Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 18:42 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 10:13 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-06-30 12:56 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 05:12 +1000
              Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-29 19:40 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 20:48 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-06-30 20:50 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-30 14:09 -0700
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 17:06 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-01 09:00 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-02 17:35 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-02 20:40 -0700
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-03 09:28 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 06:36 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-03 15:27 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-07-03 14:41 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-03 20:53 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> - 2015-06-30 17:51 -0600
            Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 04:33 +1000
            Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-06-29 20:04 -0700
              Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-06-30 10:27 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 05:02 +1000
              Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 08:38 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 05:16 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-06-30 12:17 -0700
          Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-29 09:50 -0700
          Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-29 12:32 -0500
            Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 04:40 +1000
          Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 04:23 +1000
          Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-06-30 12:56 +0000
            Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-30 09:25 -0500
              Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-06-30 17:23 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-06-30 12:39 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-01 10:10 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-01 12:06 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 05:29 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-02 11:44 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-02 16:04 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-02 11:32 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-02 20:41 -0700
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 05:55 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-02 17:35 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-02 19:05 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Morten Reistad <first@last.navn> - 2015-07-02 21:58 +0200
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-03 12:31 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 04:59 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-07-01 09:18 -0400
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-01 11:34 -0700
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-01 09:15 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-06-30 19:36 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-01 10:29 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-01 12:06 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 05:36 +1000
              Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-01 12:06 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 05:28 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-01 17:29 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-02 11:44 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 06:56 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 09:03 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-02 10:01 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-02 16:36 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 10:56 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 10:55 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-07-02 16:10 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 13:27 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 05:48 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-02 21:51 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-07-04 06:39 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 05:47 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-02 11:59 -0700
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-02 11:50 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-02 13:42 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-03 10:03 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 05:21 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-07-02 20:45 -0700
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-02 17:07 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-02 18:04 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 15:02 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-02 21:54 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-03 12:31 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-03 08:15 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 05:53 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-03 12:24 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-03 14:12 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-04 11:41 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-04 14:17 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-04 11:59 -0400
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-07-06 10:56 -0400
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-07-07 16:18 +0200
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2015-07-04 13:55 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-05 05:40 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-04 20:05 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-05 13:49 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-05 09:05 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-05 17:49 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-06 11:36 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 05:45 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 06:03 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-07-05 23:23 -0400
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 15:43 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-06 11:36 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-06 16:02 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-07 12:37 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 05:43 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-05 16:37 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-06 13:52 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-07 05:42 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-07 12:37 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 05:20 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-07 12:37 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-07 17:25 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-07 15:40 -0400
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-08 06:46 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-07 18:07 -0400
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-08 08:33 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "EspenFucker" <EF4312@nospam.com> - 2015-07-08 14:47 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Kerr Mudd-John" <notsaying@invalid.org> - 2015-07-08 13:08 -0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-08 16:52 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-07-08 13:26 -0400
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-08 17:41 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-09 05:00 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-09 00:29 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "EspenFucker" <EF4312@nospam.com> - 2015-07-09 04:45 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-08 14:35 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Kerr Mudd-John" <notsaying@invalid.org> - 2015-07-08 13:15 -0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-08 10:09 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-07-08 16:25 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Hop David <hopd@nospam.cunews.info> - 2015-07-09 15:36 -0400
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-09 04:44 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-08 16:52 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-08 18:08 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-09 09:18 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Morten Reistad <first@last.navn> - 2015-07-08 07:23 +0200
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-09 12:15 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-09 16:04 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-09 11:49 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-09 12:27 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-07-09 19:02 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-07-09 14:05 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-09 12:12 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-10 05:39 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-10 00:45 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-09 23:21 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-10 15:29 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-10 00:30 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 10:22 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 10:26 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-10 16:36 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 13:06 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 10:27 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-11 04:46 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 05:22 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "ratsack" <ratgsack281@nospam.com> - 2015-07-10 05:25 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-08 14:20 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-08 16:52 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-09 12:15 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 05:23 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 04:47 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 05:23 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-07 22:02 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-07 13:49 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 05:28 +1000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-08 14:20 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-08 11:32 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-07-09 12:15 +0000
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 04:51 +1000
            Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 05:10 +1000
        Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 04:53 +1000
        Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally lynn@garlic.com - 2015-06-29 17:36 -0700
          Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-06-30 11:23 +0100
            Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-06-30 14:07 -0500
              Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-01 10:14 +0100
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-07-01 17:34 -0500
                Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-07-03 09:42 +0100
      Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-07-01 20:47 +0000
        Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 08:12 +1000
    Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-06-29 07:05 +0000
    Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-06-30 10:41 +0100
      Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-30 09:22 -0700
        Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-30 09:59 -0700
          Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-07-07 10:14 -0700
  Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-06-28 12:03 -0400
    Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally "John Chance" <JCJC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 06:54 +1000
  Re: Credit card fraud solution coming to America...finally Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-06-28 18:39 -0700

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