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Yeah, you have loads of fun out there in 'Imagination Land'. :)

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Pointing with the middle, you see it there? The midway point? :)

To make a few serious comments, having experienced that phenomena
several times (decades ago), I didn't and still don't see it
as being especially meaningful or profound. Just my opinion.

Yet ironically, I DID also come to that same conclusion myself,
back in about 1987: that I could "do + learn everything/advance
all by myself; that I needed nothing else; and that life itself
was the teacher". I drew that conclusion more than 30 years ago.

My favorite guru at the time, Carlos Castaneda, even wrote the
very same thing, in his book "The Power Of Silence". To me, 
at that time, it was corroboration of something I had just
discovered for myself. These days I would put it all in
slightly different terms, of course.

Actually, I think in a way it is the case for everyone, period,
after reaching adulthood. And dreaming isn't really special.
That 'lesson' applies to all of living - not just dreaming.
After reaching adulthood, your basic teacher is life itself.

Wrt dreaming and LD specifically, I'm still not sure there's
anywhere to "go" after reaching a certain level of proficiency.
For although I continued LD for decades afterward, I never
"got anywhere" that seemed like it was "beyond that". If you
"reach anything" I'd say it is simply a degree of detachment
regarding ALL dreaming scenes. Where is there to "go" which is
"beyond" that in the virtual worlds of dreaming? I think Slider
may be just assuming there is somewhere 'fantastic' to go beyond
that point, and I really don't think so.

At best, dreaming seems to give your own mind a way of "talking"
with its 'whole being' to your conscious mind. And what I've found
is that there are significant aspects of that process which occur
both in full conscious awareness and in more unconscious states
(i.e. ordinary dreams), and even in something I might call 
"sleeping thoughts". There is a "spectrum" of sorts in our
mental states and ALL of that spectrum can at times have value,
not just the fully conscious parts (either in waking or in LD).

Recently, I've gotten to a point in my own LD where I can totally
wipe away the dreaming scene at will (iow, not only does it not
matter what the dreaming scene is, there doesn't even have to be
a dreaming scene at all). Not that doing that "leads anywhere"
especially 'profound' either. Not in my experience yet, anyway.
It's just one more thing one can do in dreaming and like everything
else in dreaming it has fuck all to do with the real world, except
that it involves the further exploration of your own mind.

In a way, dreaming is the ultimate mental masturbation. :)
It's all about YOU.

And there are still plenty of other 'teachers' for everyone in the
real world. Try to learn advanced Calculus or Physics or complete
some major task in computer science or engineering without any
teacher(s) and see how far you get all on your own.
 
. 

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