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Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator

From pschleck@panix.com (Paul W. Schleck)
Newsgroups news.groups.proposals, news.groups
Subject Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator
Date 2025-03-14 11:16 -0400
Organization PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC
Message-ID <vr1b28$at4$1@reader1.panix.com> (permalink)
References <vqq7tf$ehn$1@reader1.panix.com> <vqtir0$2ukis$1@dont-email.me> <vqujqc$bid$1@reader1.panix.com> <vquse4$3d1t6$1@dont-email.me>

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In <vquse4$3d1t6$1@dont-email.me> D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> writes:

>On 3/13/25 8:42 AM, Paul W. Schleck wrote:
>>
>> 
>> - Ethical considerations
>> 
>> What if you just wind up automatically relaying off-topic material and
>> SPAM?  What if some or all of the content is unlawful [...]
>I expect that a reasonable person would shut off the robo-moderator in 
>that event.

I expect that a reasonable person would not be able to react in time to
an unpredictable and short-duration SPAM or flooding incident and the
automatically approved articles would post to the newsgroups unimpeded.
For a slow or no traffic newsgroup, the approved articles would be
mostly or all SPAM and flooding, which still exists on moderator
submission addresses, even post-Google Groups.  Shutting off the
robo-moderator would be closing the gate after the horse bolted.

Do we expect the administrators of this robomoderation gateway to employ
sophisticated monitoring and alerting, and that they would respond
quickly to any incident, 24/7?  That's a lot to ask.  Furthermore, if
they do shut off the robo-moderator, what do they do with any rejected
submissions after shutoff?  Dump all of them?  Queue them up to manually
go through them to pick out only the approvable ones?

Such a service would realistically have to employ monitoring/alerting,
SPAM filtering, keyword trapping, duplicate detection, rate limiting,
and manual review of any queued articles for false positives. This is
starting to resemble the duties of a human moderator, and a significant
workload for one volunteer long-term.

--
Paul W. Schleck
pschleck@panix.com

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3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Usenet Big-8 Management Board <board@big-8.org> - 2025-03-11 17:12 -0400
  Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 21:44 -0400
    Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-12 09:18 -0400
      Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 17:42 -0400
    Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-03-12 13:44 -0400
      Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 18:12 -0400
        Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 18:55 -0400
    Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2025-03-12 14:16 -0400
      Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-03-12 17:42 -0400
      Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 18:12 -0400
        Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-03-12 18:28 -0400
          Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2025-03-12 20:16 -0400
            Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 22:07 -0400
              Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-12 23:06 -0400
                Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-03-13 09:24 -0400
                Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-13 14:49 -0400
                Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-03-13 15:54 -0400
    Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Rayner Lucas <usenet2025@magic-cookie.co.ukNOSPAMPLEASE> - 2025-03-20 18:54 -0400
  Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Florian Rehnisch <fmr@sdf.org> - 2025-03-12 20:30 -0400
    Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Tristan Miller <tmiller@big-8.org> - 2025-04-28 18:45 -0400
  Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Rayner Lucas <usenet2025@magic-cookie.co.ukNOSPAMPLEASE> - 2025-03-12 23:19 -0400
    Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator pschleck@panix.com (Paul W. Schleck) - 2025-03-13 09:42 -0400
      Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2025-03-13 14:50 -0400
        Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator pschleck@panix.com (Paul W. Schleck) - 2025-03-14 11:16 -0400
          Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2025-03-14 14:53 -0400
            Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator pschleck@panix.com (Paul W. Schleck) - 2025-03-14 19:58 -0400
              Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> - 2025-03-15 05:46 -0400
      Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Rayner Lucas <usenet2025@magic-cookie.co.ukNOSPAMPLEASE> - 2025-03-20 18:54 -0400
    Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2025-03-13 09:42 -0400
  Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-03-13 22:03 -0400
    Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Tristan Miller <tmiller@big-8.org> - 2025-03-28 17:35 -0400
      Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-04-27 08:28 -0400
        Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-05-09 10:45 -0400
          Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Tristan Miller <tmiller@big-8.org> - 2025-05-09 18:50 -0400
            Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-05-13 10:04 -0400
              Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Tristan Miller <tmiller@big-8.org> - 2025-05-21 16:54 -0400
    Re: restarting comp.newprod, comp.simulation and comp.std.announce Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> - 2025-04-27 08:28 -0400
  Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Tristan Miller <tmiller@big-8.org> - 2025-03-30 18:43 -0400
  Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator tidux <tidux@borg.moe> - 2025-04-23 23:59 -0400
    Re: 3rd RfD: Mass-deletion of moderated groups without a moderator Big-8 Management Board <board@big-8.org> - 2025-05-08 07:32 -0400

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