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America's electric vehicle push happened 'too soon and too fast,' warn ex-auto executives - but former Big Three boss Bob Lutz insists hybrids ARE the future

From Cal Worthington <and.his@dog.spot>
Newsgroups alt.energy.automobile, alt.energy.renewable, talk.politics.guns, aus.politics, or.politics
Subject America's electric vehicle push happened 'too soon and too fast,' warn ex-auto executives - but former Big Three boss Bob Lutz insists hybrids ARE the future
Date 2024-04-25 01:52 +0000
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Sales of EVs are slowing - despite the Biden Administration's push for eco 
cars
Consumers have complained about a lack of charging infrastructure in the 
US
READ MORE: Americans reveal what they REALLY think of their electric cars

Ex-automotive executives have said America's electric vehicle push 
happened 'too soon and too fast', amid slumping EV sales.

Former Ford, Chrysler and General Motors executive Bob Lutz said that the 
drive toward electric cars needed to be gradual, and vehicle charging 
times and the charging infrastructure across the US have been major issues 
in widespread adoption.

'We all agreed that the EV revolution was not going to take place, and 
instead what we would have is an EV evolution,' Lutz said in an interview 
with Fox Business.

Sales of electric cars are slowing, with Tesla reporting its first year-
on-year sales drop since 2020 earlier this month. 

The automaker delivered 386,810 vehicles in the first three months of the 
year, down almost 9 percent from the same period in 2023.

While EV sales grew last year to make up a 6.9 percent share of new 
vehicles in the US - up from 5.2 percent in 2022 - Edmunds predicts this 
rate of growth will decrease this year. 

The car research site sees EVs making up just 8 percent of the market 
share in 2024. In some major cities last year, EVs made up just 3 percent 
of new car registrations. 

Lutz told Fox Business: 'The problem with the whole EV movement is that 
there was a colossal amount of hype behind it, largely from what I like to 
call the liberal mainstream media, making it sound like everybody's next 
vehicle was going to be an EV. 

'And of course, the government was pushing it, because of their climate 
change policies. And it just plain wasn't going to happen.'

To lower tailpipe emissions, the Biden administration has set out a target 
to gradually phase out gas cars by 2032. 

The federal legislation requires automakers to reduce the tailpipe 
emissions of new vehicles by around 50 percent from model year 2026 to 
2032. 

But many consumers have complained how a lack of charging stations in 
rural areas mean that owning an EV is an unrealistic goal for many. 

Ex-Chrysler Chairman and CEO Bob Nardelli told the outlet that building 
the infrastructure needed to support electric vehicles needs to be a high 
priority. 

Nardelli, who was the CEO of Chrysler for two years between 2007 and 2009, 
added: 'The focus on hybrids would have been well-placed as an evolution 
towards EV.  

'It would have allowed for charging stations and it would have allowed for 
the massive grid network to bolster their base supply to be able to absorb 
this.'

Lutz countered this argument by pointing out that hybrids were in fact 
introduced to drivers before Tesla came in with a fully-electric car. 

'Tesla came out with all-electric, and all-electric was much more 
appealing to the environmentally-oriented people and wealthy liberals with 
a social-change mindset on both the west coast and east coast of the US. 
And they bought Teslas like they were going out of style,' he said. 

Although he admitted hybrids are expensive, he said they are a good in-
between step. 

'For the immediate future, that's the way electrification is going,' he 
added. 

It comes after Edmunds data released last month revealed hybrid cars are 
being snapped up three times as quickly off dealer lots than electric cars 
- and twice as quickly as gas cars. 

In February this year, hybrids typically flew off dealer lots within 25 
days, Edmunds found, while electric vehicles took an average of 72 days. 
Gas-powered cars, meanwhile, typically sold after 52 days.

Hybrid vehicles also overtook fully electric and gas cars to lead the way 
in this year's closely-watched Consumer Reports' top car rankings.

Separate research released earlier this month revealed that manufacturers 
like Ford, GM and Toyota are not meeting the expectations of EV shoppers 
in four key areas - putting them off from purchasing the cars. 

Shoppers want lower prices, higher ranges, electric SUVs and cars rather 
than the trucks automakers have focused on, and more EVs from trusted 
brands like Toyota, according to a poll by Edmunds. 

There is a wide gap between what car shoppers want, and what is actually 
on sale, it found. 

'The electric vehicle market is growing, but consumers have enough 
reservations about the current options and charging infrastructure 
challenges to limit more significant growth in the short term,' said 
Jessica Caldwell, head of insight at Edmunds. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/electric-vehicles/article-
13311175/electric-vehicle-push-ford-executive-hybrids.html

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America's electric vehicle push happened 'too soon and too fast,' warn ex-auto executives - but former Big Three boss Bob Lutz insists hybrids ARE the future Cal Worthington <and.his@dog.spot> - 2024-04-25 01:52 +0000
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