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Re: Residents Of 🇺🇸 Lake Tahoe Losing Their Electricity Supplier To AI

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On 2026-05-15, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
> oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> writes:
>
>> On 2026-05-15, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
>>> oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2026-05-15, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From the “only in the USA” file: an
>>>>>> electricity supply company has decided that
>>>>>> it is not profitable enough to continue
>>>>>> serving any residential customers at all,
>>>>>> and is abandoning all of its ones so it
>>>>>> can concentrate entirely on feeding the
>>>>>> much more profitable AI-server market
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/05/energy-supplier-abandons-lake-tahoe-residents-to-serve-data-centers/>.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Capitalism is working exactly as intended.
>>>> 
>>>> I come across a statement like that from time
>>>> to time, but for the life of me can't see
>>>> capitalism as something *intended*. Doesn't
>>>> "intended" imply someone sets out to make
>>>> something happen? But isn't capitalism
>>>> actually simply an emergent property of
>>>> people being people?
>>>> 
>>>> The way you put it, it's as though you think
>>>> one or more people sat down and said to each
>>>> other, "Hey! Let's create capitalism!" But
>>>> when was that? Who were the creators?
>>>> 
>>>> To me capitalism looks more like people
>>>> attempting to do what they consider in their
>>>> best interests, followed by some people
>>>> imagining there being some real thing or
>>>> force ("capitalism") driving the situation.
>>> 
>>> In the UK in the not so distant past, the
>>> energy was supplied by a government owned
>>> organisation. It was privatised and split
>>> up. This was a deliberate intentional act to
>>> introduce market forces. It didn't work very
>>> well in my opinion, but there is nothing
>>> natural about it. People being people, if
>>> your neighbour asks you for a wheel barrow
>>> to you sell it to him? rent it to him? no,
>>> you let him borrow it. That is people being
>>> people. The transactional view of everything
>>> it imposed from the top.
>>
>> Okay... but isn't your UK example different
>> than capitalism because there is clearly
>> and act to affect the market, whereas in
>> the case of capitalism it's rather the
>> opposite, i.e. the act of not acting
>> to affect the market? Said that way
>> makes it look as though not acting
>> is a form of acting, but my
>> initial reply considered
>> not acting, well, *not*
>> acting. :-)
>
> How did the energy company come to own the
> energy in the first place?  e.g. English
> enclosures (15th–18th centuries), where
> common land was seized and converted to private
> property, dispossessing peasants and creating
> a landless labour force. Without people forced
> to sell their laboor, wage-labor capitalism
> couldn't function.

Where are you going with this? The statement of
yours that I originally replied to was:

> Capitalism is working exactly as intended.

implying that one or more people set up
capitalism intentionally. But now you're babbling
on about land seizures centuries ago as though
that was was done to establish capitalism. I
suspect nobody seizing that land then was doing
so with the intention of establishing capitalism,
but rather because they perceived an opportunity
to increase their wealth by taking land from
others. I've no idea how you're seeing such as
intentionally establishing capitalism.

That something precedes something in time hardly
necessarily means the former causes the latter.

> What is a corporation? Something declared to
> exist and have rights by law(yers).

Are you seriously equating declaring something
to exist with something actually existing? If
1000 people declare there to be a pink unicorn
to exist in their midst, does that mean the pink
unicorn exists? Isn't there more to something
existing than people agreeing to pretend
something exists?

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  Re: Residents Of 🇺🇸 Lake Tahoe Losing Their Electricity Supplier To AI none <none@none.rip> - 2026-05-15 00:56 +0200
    Re: Residents Of 🇺🇸 Lake Tahoe Losing Their Electricity Supplier To AI oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2026-05-15 12:30 +0000
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    Re: Residents Of 🇺🇸 Lake Tahoe Losing Their Electricity Supplier To AI oldernow <oldernow@dev.null> - 2026-05-15 12:37 +0000
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