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| From | RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> |
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| Subject | Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland |
| Date | 2026-04-01 05:43 +0000 |
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On 2026-03-31, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote: > On 2026-03-31 4:28 a.m., RonB wrote: >> On 2026-03-31, bonkmaykr <bonkymaykr@canithesis.org> wrote: >>> L Thorpe wrote: >>>> Ahoy lackeys! Even though you rest content in the arms of your chosen >>>> junk distro, those who know are solidly against you. >>>> >>>> Wayland is garbage: >>>> >>>> <https://omar.yt/posts/wayland-set-the-linux-desktop-back-by-10-years> >>>> >>>> After 17 years... holy moley! Even Boeing has had a better success! >>>> >>>> The smart folks stick with X11. >>>> >>>> The helpless lackeys have no choice. >>>> >>>> Poor dumb bastards. >>>> >>> Thanks. Good read. >>> I have been writing my own (very opinionated and conspiracy theory >>> filled) critique of Wayland but slept on it the past couple of months >>> cause of other stuff, will be sure to share this around in the mean time >>> instead >> >> My experience with Wayland was not good when I tested about fifteen >> distributions to see if they worked with a new Trelby AppImage. They all >> worked with the AppImage (Fedora would only work with Okular for the PDF >> previewer) and, since Ubuntu uses Snaps for Firefox, Trelby couldn't display >> its manual because it's not located in the "sandbox." >> >> While all these distributions worked (except the two minor issues above) >> with the Trelby AppImage, all the distributions that used Wayland (every >> one) had problems with Firefox on the computer I used for testing. Whereas >> Firefox was snappy on every distribution that defaulted to X11. I would >> literally wait from four to ten seconds (sometimes) while Firefox hung, >> waiting for a website to start loading. With X11 the jump to another website >> was instant, unless there was issues with the website itself. >> >> My solution? Stick with Cinnamon and hope they don't go to Wayland as the >> default. Once again Linux Mint is making the right choice. Don't force >> unfinished crap on your users. And if they can't finish Wayland in nearly 18 >> years, I'm not too hopeful for its future. Blaming existing applications for >> not working in your new window manager seems a bit backasswards. > > In the end, Wayland _will_ be much better than X11 ever was. Still, I'm > with you in saying that it's sad how unfinished it still is. They > replaced X11 because it was too old and too complicated, but not Wayland > is almost as old as X11 was and while it might not be as complicated, it > doesn't work as well as expected or at least as well as X11 did at that > time. The "end" could be 20 years from now. I don't know, but I've got a feeling there are several "loose canons" in the Wayland fold, all wanting to go in different directions. I found another distribution that uses X11. BunsenLabs Linux. It uses Debian 13 but it's made to be very light, so uses OpenBox as its desktop. It works pretty well (in the test I gave it, at least). The Trelby AppImage worked in without any issues, so that's encouraging. -- Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Zionists are Jews. Zionism ≠ Judaism.
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A New Deadly Critique of Wayland L Thorpe <lt666@sixsixsix.net> - 2026-03-22 20:13 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-23 02:32 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-03-22 20:02 -0700
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-23 03:30 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-23 10:29 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Distro Lackey <dl@lackey.com> - 2026-03-23 13:50 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 10:11 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-23 14:18 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-23 16:24 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-03-23 17:10 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 13:14 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-24 07:37 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-23 19:11 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-24 08:32 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-23 20:03 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-24 13:13 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-03-24 15:15 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-24 22:44 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-03-25 09:34 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-25 18:39 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-03-26 07:09 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-25 06:43 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-25 08:37 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-25 13:22 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-25 13:44 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-25 17:37 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-26 06:25 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-26 20:42 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-27 08:50 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-27 20:33 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-26 08:46 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-26 13:11 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-23 10:47 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-23 16:23 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Distro Lackey <dl@lackey.com> - 2026-03-23 17:37 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-23 17:51 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Distro Lackey <dl@lackey.com> - 2026-03-23 18:26 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 14:28 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-23 20:09 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Distro Lackey <dl@lackey.com> - 2026-03-23 22:03 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-03-24 08:47 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-23 13:59 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Distro Lackey <dl@lackey.com> - 2026-03-23 18:40 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-23 19:45 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-23 19:27 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-24 01:36 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-24 08:20 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-24 18:43 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-24 19:24 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-25 06:17 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-25 09:25 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-24 08:16 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-24 18:41 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 18:16 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-23 20:05 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 20:46 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-03-25 14:09 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-25 15:02 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-23 19:40 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-03-23 21:36 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-23 19:29 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 23:53 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-24 01:44 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Distro Lackey <dl@lackey.com> - 2026-03-24 02:04 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-24 08:10 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-24 08:08 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-24 07:55 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-24 08:55 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-03-24 18:30 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-24 19:22 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-24 15:21 -0500
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-24 19:34 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 19:53 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-24 15:19 -0500
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> - 2026-03-24 21:53 -0700
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Climate Denialism Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-25 05:59 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-23 00:27 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland bonkmaykr <bonkymaykr@canithesis.org> - 2026-03-30 20:52 -0500
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Distro Lackey <dl@lackey.com> - 2026-03-31 02:11 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-31 03:39 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 08:30 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 08:28 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-31 09:31 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 05:43 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-01 09:01 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-01 09:05 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-04-01 12:56 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-01 20:18 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-04-01 16:32 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-01 17:23 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-01 13:47 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-01 20:21 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-01 20:17 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-04-01 16:42 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 06:35 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-04-02 08:14 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 16:56 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-01 14:37 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-02 14:58 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-02 11:28 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-03 15:20 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-03 20:26 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-04 02:11 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-03 22:27 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 19:26 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-02 19:31 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-03 06:14 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-03 09:04 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-03 15:33 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-03 21:17 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-04 02:32 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-04 07:22 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-04-04 19:37 -0500
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-05 09:08 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-05 17:11 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-04-05 12:44 -0500
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 13:40 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 13:38 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-06 16:53 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 00:47 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 01:04 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-07 02:03 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 10:12 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 13:30 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-06 16:57 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 00:34 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-07 01:55 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-05 02:04 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-04-04 19:57 -0500
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-05 03:27 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-05 08:49 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-03 15:25 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-04-02 13:12 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-02 19:29 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-01 20:14 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-04-01 16:37 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-01 19:50 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-03-31 19:54 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 05:51 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-01 08:18 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-01 20:25 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-03-31 08:52 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland Distro Lackey <dl@lackey.com> - 2026-03-31 15:45 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 05:55 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-04-01 09:04 -0400
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 17:02 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-04-01 20:23 +0000
Re: A New Deadly Critique of Wayland RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2026-04-02 15:02 +0000
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