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Re: The Destructive Cult Of Trump

From slider <slider@anashram.com>
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Subject Re: The Destructive Cult Of Trump
Date 2018-07-07 03:58 +0100
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2018 20:09:38 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan  
<david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:


> [Slider, this updated new law was passed, so this work that was
> previously intended to be DONE now will not be done. That is
> more than "failure to improve". It's actual rollback in scope.]

### - 'planned' work that 'wont' now be done = cuts!



> Specific Examples:
>
> The E.P.A. will examine what harm can be caused to anyone directly
> exposed to perchloroethylene — designated by the E.P.A. as a likely
> carcinogen — during manufacturing or when using it in dry cleaning,
> carpet cleaning or handling certain ink-removal products.
>
> But the agency will NOT focus on exposures that occur from traces
> of the chemical found in drinking water in 44 states as a result
> of improper disposal over decades. The decision conflicts with
> a risk assessment plan detailed by the E.P.A. a year ago, which
> included drinking water. The agency will also not consider the
> hazards of perchloroethylene discharged into streams or lakes,
> landfills or the air from dry-cleaning stores or manufacturing.
>
> Similar issues apply to 9 of the first 10 chemicals evaluated.
>
> One is 1,4-dioxane, in antifreeze, deodorants, shampoos and
> cosmetics and considered “likely to be carcinogenic to humans.”
>
> Another is trichloroethylene, used to make a refrigerant chemical
> and remove grease from metal parts and associated with cancers
> of the liver, kidneys and blood.
>
> Pruitt's EPA also narrowed the definitions of certain chemicals,
> including asbestos. Some asbestos-like fibers will no longer be
> included in the risk assessments, nor will the 8.8 million pounds
> a year of asbestos deposited in hazardous landfills or the 13.1
> million pounds discarded in routine dump sites.
>
> More than a dozen environmental and public-health groups
> are suing the E.P.A. to challenge changes made to this program.
>
> ***
>
> This clown Scott Pruitt who just resigned... he was a real piece
> of work. Some of the changes Pruitt sought at the EPA adversely
> affect the health of everyday Americans. He had begun reversing
> the proposal to ban the neurotoxic pesticide chlorpyrifos, going
> against all credible scientific advice. He lifted key controls on
> air pollution from major industrial sources. He began rolling back
> vehicle efficiency standards, which provide a key way to cut
> greenhouse gas emissions.

### - yawn...  show me 'any' right-wings fucker, who when they were in  
office, weren't actively 'cutting' (or rolling back) the shit outta  
everything the previous 'left' administration had more benevolently  
attempted to implement?

like where ffs, does it ever say in any right-wing policy/agenda that they  
wanna look after the environment or to better the conditions of the  
working man??? they don't! that's never their policy! that's all left-wing  
ideology!

the left get in and try to repair all the damage caused by the right! they  
do good things! they try to look after everyone as best they can on the  
little budget they have, they do wonders! people are happier, but the  
economy usually suffers as a result because they take from the economy to  
pay for all the things that have been neglected, prices start going up to  
pay for it all, and at the peak of discontent at these increases the right  
steps in offering all kinds of promises to 'fix' the economy!

and round & round it all goes like a fuckin' merry-go-round jeez...




> Pruitt took unprecedented steps to purge members of the EPA’s
> science advisory panels, citing conflicts of interest and replaced
> these individuals with researchers from industry or states that
> have sued the EPA to block its rules.
>
> One of Pruitt’s most impactful strategies at the EPA ultimately
> was to slow down or stall its work, seeking years-long delays
> for some parts of the agency’s ongoing rule development.

### - roll back/stall... simply = cuts to all those budgets, what maybe  
can't be cut altogether can be delayed/stalled, reduced... cuts cuts cuts!




> He also backed off the EPA’s pursuit of polluters, issuing far
> fewer fines for infractions than any of the last three
> administrations in their first year.

### - reductions in tax for businesses essentially, business grows; grows  
the economy!




> Example: Pruitt issued a memo reversing the agency’s position
> in an existing enforcement battle with a Michigan-based company
> accused of modifying the state’s largest coal-fired power plant
> without getting federal permits for a projected rise in pollution.
>
> [Slider, such a strategy involves much more than "not taking away".
> When there are anti-science policies, extreme delays, and reduced
> enforcement, it actively *encourages* pollution, ensuring MORE,
> rather than simply holding steady. Pruitt undermined the mission
> of the EPA in *numerous* other ways, but your eyes are probably
> glazing over as it is, so I won't elaborate further.]

### - prolly ALL these companies were originally found to be poisoning  
everything anyway, and were then being forced to either upgrade their  
technology and/or pay higher rates etc, a typical left-wing strategy, thus  
effectively reducing their earnings growth/capacity (craftily dumping your  
shit waste in some river being vastly cheaper than having it taken  
away/purified etc) a vast improvement but only at very expensive cost to  
those companies who'd been having it easy until then, yes even criminally  
so! and then the right wing gets in and eases-off on all those  
restrictions in an effort to make the economy grow faster, this being  
something that's occurred under every single right wing government since  
time began!

go back and examine the 'bush era' for similarities? did they do any  
different??

and then ya eventually realise/see that they're ALL always like that: both  
the left AND the right; that THAT'S what they ALWAYS typically DO in one  
form or another + realise WHY they behave like that based on their  
respective policies and pov's; only THEN are ya gonna be ABLE to discern  
just where trumpy-boy is any different to all (or any of) his  
predecessors, and to exactly 'what' degree compared to them!




> The Trump administration is trying to EXPAND offshore oil drilling.
> They are at the same time trying to slash safety regulations related
> to drilling. They're attempting to revive a major drilling plan
> that Obama had already considered and scrapped

### - making it 'easier' to make money: that's right wing.



> Obama had us on a path toward curtailing offshore drilling.

### - because it was nasty, dangerous, and generally bad for the planet:  
that's left wing



> Trump has already initiated an expanding of it, and if he could
> get away with it, would expand it even more.
> Trump's plan proposed opening up nearly ALL US coastal waters to
> offshore drilling. That proposal has been met with a striking level
> of opposition.

### - opposition from his own right-wingers would only be token  
opposition, perforce the left would oppose it outright




> Almost 1.5 million public comments have been
> registered against the plan. There was bipartisan resistance
> from governors in all but one of the coastal states that do not
> currently allow offshore drilling. And 12 attorneys general signed
> a letter saying they intend to sue the administration if the plan
> goes forward.

### - whatever they 'say' (or have to be 'seen' to say for their voters  
heh) makes no difference in the order of things, ways to make more  
money/income have to be found, and this boy's a whizz at cutting corners  
to make a buck! + they put him in office to do precisely that! trump the  
axeman! he cuts/chops! while at the same time selling 100's of billions in  
arms to places like saudi! - this dude's a money-making machine! and in  
times of such (man-made heh) austerity while their money's at stake,  
they'll 'piss' on the environment and on anything (and anyone) else to  
make that faster buck!




> Inserted in Trump's tax break legislation was a plan to open up
> Arctic offshore drilling, ending a previous hold on oil and gas
> drilling in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, reversing
> wilderness protections Obama had proposed. Environmental Review
> has already begun for setting up an oil and gas leasing program
> in the refuge’s 1.5-million-acre coastal plain.

### - what fucking planet are YOU living on bud? this is planet earth!  
there's MONEY there!? when does the rush begin?? (i.e., even the left wing  
wont be able to hold back on that eventually, we're running outta such  
resources?)




> This action disregards biological, cultural, and climate impacts
> on an already rapidly warming Arctic. It will make things worse.

### - was a time really not that long ago when we didn't even consider  
shit like this?

and now it's all the rage eh? suddenly, in only a few years, everyone's  
become a recycling nut??

(reminds/images of: child beggars in india searching through refuse tips  
for little bits of shit they can possibly make summat out of to sell just  
in order to live etc, something we used to look down on and frown... and  
now we's here all doing the same? we're catching up! there's gonna be one  
last mad scramble for all those dwindling remaining resources, and then  
that's gonna be it! all the policies & promises in the world wont change  
anything then!



>
> [Slider, Obama had previously scrapped such plans. Trump is
> trying to get as much of it as possible revived and implemented.

### - happens virtually every single time: the left expensively improves  
shit, the right eases those same regulations in order to make making-money  
easier/faster... can't blame trump personally for age-old policies





> That's more than "not acting". There was so much outcry against
> this plan in many states that they seem to have backed off of
> much of it for now, but they will keep trying.]

### - 'not-acting' isn't the *only* means at their disposal!?

there's a dozen different ways to chuck spanners into the works! that's  
only one!

what maybe can't be stopped can be delayed! (tie it up in law for years  
maybe)

they have endless means at their disposal! 50 different spanners! AND ways  
of hurling 'em!



> The Trump administration approved a land swap deal that allows a
> road to be constructed through the Izembek National Wildlife Refuge.
> That action overruled wilderness protections that had previously
> kept that area off-limits to vehicles for decades.

### - sounds bizarre, so ya think maybe he's got little horns on that head  
of his eh? sitting around all day just dreaming up shit to be mean about?  
no, there's clearly some good 'financial' reason for it that justifies it  
in their right-wing eyes! makes or cuts money somehow! find out how and  
you'll understand why!



> The Interior Department rescinded a 2015 Obama administration rule
> that would have set new environmental limitations on fracking
> on public lands.
>
> [Again, limitations on fracking were planned to be implemented.
> To roll them back goes beyond simply "not acting" since it
> *rescinded* positive actions previously planned.]

### - ohhh lookee here! a chance to make money and screw what ordinary  
peeps thinks?

i can certainly see how the right-wing would typically sponsor summat like  
that lol :)

oh yeah! :)

snip the rest of this endless diatribe through, which is basically all the  
same really:

loolk, the right's doin' what the right do! (what they always do!) and  
you're horrified as you realise just how insidious it all is, at how big  
it all is! at what a fucking goddamn mess it all is and getting bigger!  
you, a lefty! having to stand there in growing awareness and watch as the  
fucking right destroy any/all intelligent (most of 'em) improvements made,  
being torn down and/or brought to a halt all in the name of making a quick  
buck!

yeah it's horrible... am horrified too... in fact: i always am every  
'time' i see it!

and have seen it EVERY time jeremy! EVERY TIME! every time there's a  
change from left to right and vise versa! to focus on trump alone is thus  
to be missing the point! he's just their current front-man! glove puppet!

there'll be another along in a  minute? hah!

and so it goes on! round & round all going fuckin' nowhere?

and is not a sustainable situation!

'something' has to change!

something 'will' change!

NEW politics are required!

an intelligent 'blend' of left & right going forward maybe?

but only for mandela i wouldn't have even been 'able' to think of that!

his example!

and quite possibly his legacy to us all :)

and THAT my friend, IS the future of politics!

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