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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

From "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy, sci.physics, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
Subject Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.
Date 2017-04-28 21:21 +0100
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:03:55 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 4/28/17, 10:13 AM, in article op.yze0splfjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>>>> Of a laptop.  I'm interested in desktops.
>>>>
>>>> And it still doesn't say what processor is in it.  All it admits is it's a
>>>> "2.0GHz dual-core Intel Core i5" - which could be several of these with
>>>> completely different performances:
>>>> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html
>>>
>>> Let's see: looking at your options there I see ZERO 2.0 GHz i5s. ZERO.
>>
>> So even worse then, I still have no idea which CPU is in it so I can compare
>> the speed of the mac to anything else.  GHz is NOT a clear indicator of speed
>> as you can see from the chart I linked to.
>
> Did someone say otherwise? If so, whom?

Apple, by only giving you the GHz.

>>> Yeah, great example.
>>>
>>> Look at the FULL specs, like I explained yesterday.
>>
>> There aren't any, you STILL have not provided a link where it shows what
>> processor is in it.  FFS use your control panel to look at what's in yours if
>> you have a fairly new one.
>
> I did yesterday and quoted it for you multiple times. And I do, again, below
> with yet another system.

Not the precise model of the CPU, eg 3570K.

> I think you need to take a step back, learn a little about the processors
> and about what the specs are, and then come back. At this point I have lead
> you to the water time and time again but you refuse to drink. Nothing else I
> can do to get you to quench your thirst.

When I buy a PC, I can go to a few manufacturers, see what components they have, compare the speeds of each, and choose who I want to buy from.  Apple gives insufficient data to compare.

>>> If you actually LOOK at
>>> the specs Apple gives you they give you all you need. I showed you three
>>> examples yesterday (iMacs). Now you are asking about a MacBook Pro. Sigh.
>>> You need a LOT of hand holding.
>>>
>>> Here are the MacBook Pros  <https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/>
>>>
>>> It lists:
>>>     -----
>>>     * 2.0GHz dual-core Intel Core i5, Turbo Boost up to 3.1GHz,
>>>       with 4MB shared L3 cache
>>>     * Intel Iris Graphics 540
>>>     -----
>>>
>>> What more do you need to know? How many Intel options are there like that?
>>> As far as I know that limits it to the Core i5-6360U.
>>
>> So you had to do research to find out which CPU MIGHT be in it.
>
> Of course I had to do "research" and look at Apple's page to get those
> specs! It is not like I have it memorized for all of their machines! But,
> for crying out loud, does Dell come to your house and tell you the specs
> when you mention a machine? NO! You have to go to their site, too!

I go to their site and they tell me precisely what CPU they use.  I don't have to guess like you're doing.

>> Apple are conning you and you're falling for it hook line and sinker, just
>> like every other dumbass mac user.  Would you buy a car without knowing any
>> specs?  Dealer says "it's got a big engine in it" - would that be enough for
>> you?
>
> Hint: when a URL starts with "https://apple.com" it is Apple's site.

Did I say otherwise?

>>> So what other one were you thinking it might be? Give me the complete list
>>> that matches the specs Apple shows you.
>
> Gee, NO other CPUs from you. None. Meaning if you know what Apple shows you
> then you know all you need to know. It is not as if you look at those specs
> and then find another machine listed with the same specs it will have a
> different CPU.
>
> What more are you hoping to get? What more does having the Intel name give
> you? So far you have offered NOTHING. Not even saying there might not be
> some rare cases... but you cannot think of ANY.

All I want is to know what parts they are using.  If I don't know that, I cannot tell if it's a good deal.

-- 
Said the Duchess of Windsor at tea,
"Young man, do you fart when you pee?"
I replied with some wit
"Do you belch when you shit?"
I think that was one up to me.

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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-26 23:24 +0100
  Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-26 18:29 -0400
    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 00:28 +0100
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-26 18:35 -0700
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2017-04-26 21:57 -0400
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 14:51 +0100
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 09:07 -0700
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 19:33 +0100
              Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 11:58 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 21:01 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 13:18 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 21:55 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 14:05 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 22:11 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 14:20 -0700
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-26 22:41 -0400
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          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-27 09:28 -0400
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-27 10:14 -0400
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              Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 10:11 -0700
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          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 10:12 -0700
    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-26 16:52 -0700
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 14:52 +0100
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 09:26 -0700
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 19:31 +0100
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 11:52 -0700
              Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 20:57 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 13:29 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 21:59 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 14:07 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 22:55 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 15:00 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-27 23:05 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 15:17 -0700
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                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 15:46 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 00:01 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-27 20:13 -0400
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 17:35 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 11:44 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 10:08 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 18:13 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 11:03 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-28 21:21 +0100
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-04-28 15:34 -0500
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 14:29 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-28 19:20 -0400
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                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 14:25 -0700
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                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-04-28 12:28 -0500
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-28 10:56 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2017-04-27 21:41 -0400
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 19:02 -0700
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                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-27 20:23 -0700
                Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> - 2017-04-28 00:12 -0400
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